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The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

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Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

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Twitter is the homeless encampment of social networks.

Sometimes I’ll click the wrong link and end up there. It’s uncomfortable.. lots of people screaming and spreading their excrement around.. I just avoid eye contact, keep quiet and close the tab as quickly as possible.

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

#52

I found this statement really bizarre: > Not horribly confusing and overwhelming for people that don’t use it regularly like Reddit, be it the old or the bad design. I've always found Twitter to be horribly confusing. It's mishmash of replies, re-tweets, and completely unrelated other tweets has been there for years and never made any sense to someone who doesn't have an account. I don't have a Reddit account but kno…

Twitter is functionally a giant group chat of all your follows.

Impossible to get into until the algo kicks in for me.

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

#53

One of the things that has always confused me about twitter is that it seems to be offering a threaded conversation model, yet it tries to "flatten" the conversation and render things in a linear timeline. I've always struggled to understand the full context of the tweet I'm reading (that is, where is this tweet in the full conversation?). Do others also struggle with this? Am I just Doing It Wrong?

I think it’s intentional on Twitter’s part. It’s FOMO: you see a hot take out of context and now your brain ~~wants~~ needs to know what the hell is going on, so you reward Twitter’s algorithm with lots of tasty engagement in your effort to figure out who pissed everyone off.

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

#54

I found this statement really bizarre: > Not horribly confusing and overwhelming for people that don’t use it regularly like Reddit, be it the old or the bad design. I've always found Twitter to be horribly confusing. It's mishmash of replies, re-tweets, and completely unrelated other tweets has been there for years and never made any sense to someone who doesn't have an account. I don't have a Reddit account but kno…

Likewise! Every time I accidentally follow a twitter.com link, I find myself lost in an incoherent crazyland of intense emotions. Threadreader is OK, but I prefer to interact with Twitter in the same way that I used to enjoy Eve Online: wait for someone involved to write up a summary of whatever it was that just happened, then read it at a distance from all the shouting.

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

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post #41

One of the things that has always confused me about twitter is that it seems to be offering a threaded conversation model, yet it tries to "flatten" the conversation and render things in a linear timeline. I've always struggled to understand the full context of the tweet I'm reading (that is, where is this tweet in the full conversation?). Do others also struggle with this? Am I just Doing It Wrong?

There are so many things that make it an unpleasant ordeal. Having to hit 'see more replies' over and over. Having to click on individual tweets to see their replies. Pressing back and having your window reset to the top of the replies page, and now you have to click 'see more replies' all over again. Having your history completely broken somehow so pressing back doesn't even take you to the right place. etc etc

>Having to hit 'see more replies' over and over.

I don't know if I'm just suffering from confirmation bias but it seems like this feature is used as a form of soft censorship, to discourage users from reading certain threads, as it appears to disproportionately pop up on "controversial" topics where right of center opinions are likely to be expressed.

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

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post #26

Twitter seems to be slowly asphyxiating itself in a number of ways: login walls, artificially curated timelines, and turning a blind eye to spam (it seems to be okay as long as it's terrible autogenerated NFT "art"?) all make it a thoroughly unpleasant service to use. I'm at the point where I'd rather not have it, but it's effectively the LinkedIn of my professional sphere.

I feel the same way about LinkedIn ;)

Good lord. I deleted my linkedin account some 10-15 years ago now, and I've never regretted it. What a ridiculous spam-farm that place was.

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

#57
post #12

Meanwhile Twitter just straight-up put up a loginwall. Whenever I scroll down more than a few tweets, I get an undismissable popup prompting me to login.

There are a few options: - Switch to an alternate Twitter frontend like nitter.net. There are extensions that can redirect to this automatically as well. - Block Twitter from setting any cookies. This will prevent loginwalls. - Add this custom uBlock Origin filter: twitter.com##+js(cookie-remover, guest_id) Personally I use the last two options, and sometimes use Nitter, especially on mobile.

Thanks for the filter! I've been kind of looking for one and had already assumed Twitter would randomise the IDs and page layout so that setting up a static filter would be impossible. But apparently it's not!

I've mostly been using the Fritter app for now for whenever I want to read some tweet. So far, I like it very much: Native performance with no nag screens and no engagement bullshit, just tweets and replies. The only problem is the often replies don't load. My suspicion is Twitter is doing some shady stuff with the API again.

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

#58
post #24

Twitter seems to be slowly asphyxiating itself in a number of ways: login walls, artificially curated timelines, and turning a blind eye to spam (it seems to be okay as long as it's terrible autogenerated NFT "art"?) all make it a thoroughly unpleasant service to use. I'm at the point where I'd rather not have it, but it's effectively the LinkedIn of my professional sphere.

Interestingly, I think login walls are to stop spam. It interests me how many design decisions by youtube, for example, were to stop spam and getting rid of fake views and likes. Not directly for the user's experience.

> Interestingly, I think login walls are to stop spam.

I don't think that holds up in general, and especially not in Twitter's case. Logged-out users can barely interact with the site -- all of the important interactions (and, in particular, all of the ones that would be concerning from a spam-prevention standpoint) require the user to be logged in.

I'm not sure it applies to YouTube either. The site has very few login requirements, other than for age-restricted videos.

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

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post #24

Twitter seems to be slowly asphyxiating itself in a number of ways: login walls, artificially curated timelines, and turning a blind eye to spam (it seems to be okay as long as it's terrible autogenerated NFT "art"?) all make it a thoroughly unpleasant service to use. I'm at the point where I'd rather not have it, but it's effectively the LinkedIn of my professional sphere.

Interestingly, I think login walls are to stop spam. It interests me how many design decisions by youtube, for example, were to stop spam and getting rid of fake views and likes. Not directly for the user's experience.

You've always had to login to post, so I don't see how twitters increasing push to force logins would impact a preexisting spam problem.

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

#60

I found this statement really bizarre: > Not horribly confusing and overwhelming for people that don’t use it regularly like Reddit, be it the old or the bad design. I've always found Twitter to be horribly confusing. It's mishmash of replies, re-tweets, and completely unrelated other tweets has been there for years and never made any sense to someone who doesn't have an account. I don't have a Reddit account but kno…

Glad it's not just me. It's especially infuriating when clicking a specifc tweet to see replies, scrolling down, then seeing god knows what random mess. Oops, you had to click the tiny 'see more replies' text to see more relevant replies, we're just showing you random unrelated tweets. Who designs such a mess and why...
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