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Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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I'm not seeing why that would be a problem.

In what context is focusing ones outrage at all useful, ever? This is just reinforcing destruction, promoting group identity, enabling a mob mentality, and sometimes promotes violence. Honest critique is one thing, mob mentality outrage is not an honest critique.

You can't figure out why, in a community full of developers, that it might be useful to know which employers are lying about remote work?

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

#53

I'm curious, what level was the position? The process was months long and went to a hiring committee? That sounds like a what you'd have for a faculty position or something, was this a research position?

SWE. Some of the time I needed so I could answer leet questions and system design questions on the fly. A lot of time was spent scheduling, particularly around the holidays. There were some 'bonus' rounds of interviews I took because they f'd up.

Thank you. I had someone reach out to me from one of those companies recently and was considering going through the process (or trying to). I had no idea it was this long.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

#55
> I'm not sure what the compensation model for recruiters is

There are three models of recruiting, first-party, retained and commission. You do not want to speak to recruiters working on commission, because they take the shotgun approach and have the least information and least incentive to tell the truth. One of my first questions to third party recruiters is "are you retained or on commission" and if the second, end the conversation.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

#56
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not seeing why that would be a problem.

In what context is focusing ones outrage at all useful, ever? This is just reinforcing destruction, promoting group identity, enabling a mob mentality, and sometimes promotes violence. Honest critique is one thing, mob mentality outrage is not an honest critique.

Mob mentality outrage is one of the few things that produces effective change.

Would you encourage the same policy of not naming the the accused parties with the #meToo movement? Because it's not productive or worthwhile to focus on a few individuals? And where would that movement have gotten if none of the parties involved had ever been named?

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

#57
post #8

You definitely need to name the company that did this.

Why? This isn't Twitter, piling on a company doesn't add much to the discussion, it just lets people focus their outrage better

I would like to know if a company is willing to waste thousands of dollars (interviewers' time, hiring manager's time, hiring committee's time, not to mention the candidate's time) knowing full well that they will not commit to terms (at least verbally) agreed upon upfront. That is a clear sign of a dysfunctional organization.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

#58

This is just another thing in a long line of scrupulous things that recruiters do. If bad actors will edit your resume before sending it in then lying about the remote nature of a job is just another part of that. Which FAANG? Name and shame.

I'm still holding on to a slight hope that the recruiter will find a hiring manager willing to override the committee and all of my time and effort will not have been wasted. They said they'd keep looking but they were probably just trying to get me off the phone. I'll put it this way. One FAANG I wouldn't work at under any circumstances. One FAANG has been very clear that they want employees on site. One FAANG has a…

> One FAANG I wouldn't work at under any circumstances.

Uh Amazon? I hope it's Amazon, not Facebook.

> One FAANG has been very clear that they want employees on site.

Both Netflix and Apple.

> One FAANG has a recruiting proc where you are hired once you pass the interviews, you can figure out your team later.

Google?

> One FAANG doesn't really fit in the FAANG acronym.

Amazon? Apple? Facebook because they've changed their name to Meta?

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? This isn't Twitter, piling on a company doesn't add much to the discussion, it just lets people focus their outrage better

It adds the most important thing to the discussion: Which company is it, so we - the other people working in the same field, applying for the same jobs - can avoid it.

It might even be read by employees of that very company that are in a position to improve things.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

#60
post #8

You definitely need to name the company that did this.

Why? This isn't Twitter, piling on a company doesn't add much to the discussion, it just lets people focus their outrage better

So that other people don't waste their time on that company, of course.

Why do you believe the company should be able to keep bad behavior secret?

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