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Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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Post by boomboomsubban »

mardifoufs wrote: post #31
xiphias2 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think so. Anyways the same dictatorship (Viktor Orban) got full control again of the country.

Were the elections illegitimate ? I'm a complete outsider to hungarian politics so I'm not sure if this is hyperbole... but talking about how a dictatorship has been reelected again doesn't make sense to me. Unless elections in Hungary are just theather, and results are just faked like in Syria for example.

It's a relatively free election, there's a strong incumbent bias that undoubtedly helps him win but there's no evidence the entire thing is rigged. Dictators can be popular, the best example is Napoleon.

Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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Post by makeitdouble »

denkmoon wrote: post #26
makeitdouble wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t way too late if the conflict is detected at signal level ? The worst will have been avoided, but at least one of the train will have to back down to the nearest junction, and depending on how packed it is they might have to back down a few more train as well. I’d assume in reality it would deadlock from there.

That's why they have fancy software to route incoming trains around delayed ones.

I suppose it relies on some slack in the system and everything else moving as expected. Which could also be the reason why they don't want to restart a schedule at mid-day with every active train in a non standard state.

Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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Post by mushyhammer »

user_7832 wrote: post #8

I was in the station for a different reason when I heard the announcement. The people entering and hearing the announcement were unsurprisingly very crestfallen, but it appears that twitter helped organize a lot of travel, with people posting where they were/going and picking up other travellers. Also probably worth noting is that trains here are used fairly frequently, however unfortunately this isn't the first time…

> with people posting where they were/going and picking up other travellers.

That’s ludicrous, I wish people helping other people this way was more common.

Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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Post by snorkledoodle »

flak48 wrote: post #33
orblivion wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those outside of Europe, could you explain how this works? Are these Hungarian citizens living abroad who are able to somehow vote from polling places accessible by train within the Netherlands? Is this an EU organized thing?

Most countries (even non EU ones) allow its citizens residing in foreign countries to vote in national elections at its embassies. So Hungarians residing in Netherlands could have been able to vote at Hungarian embassies/consulates in Netherlands (if they made it to the embassy).

Sometimes even local stuff. U.S. states, our provincial government level, have processes in place to account for Americans living abroad to vote in state and local elections. It’s guaranteed by law, I think. Our states handle all voting on behalf of the federal government anyway (registration, voting day operations, counts, all often under the misleadingly named office of a Secretary of State), so it’s a natural consequence of our structure. It is nice to live abroad as if you were still at your last physical address for voting purposes, though, and usually not notice a big difference. I think it’s implied that those of us who have done it intend to come back, in the system’s thinking, but I think everyone understands the relevance of their vote according to their situation and beliefs.

We’re of course all too familiar with this process from several consequential court cases deliberating its efficacy and merit in generational memory. Whether it’s sensible has been argued with elections on the line.

Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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Post by mushyhammer »

spac wrote: post #32

I wonder if this is connected to a similar incident in Italy. https://news.yahoo.com/italys-state-railway-may-target-16341...

Considering the state of Italian railways IT, I wonder if the attack was accomplished by entering admin/admin in some login box.

Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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Post by jrockway »

blibble wrote: post #16
spullara wrote: post #7

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I think that trains can travel in both directions on the same track and the schedule keeps them from hitting each other head-on.

scheduling hasn't been used for preventing conflicting movements since the 1830s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_signalling#History_of_...

That is not strictly true. The LIRR Main Line east of Ronkonkoma uses timetable/train order scheduling: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train_order_operation

What is more interesting is how they get away with this when PTC is now mandatory (a lot of special operating rules/restrictions).

Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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Post by aetherson »

xiphias2 wrote: post #27
orblivion wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those outside of Europe, could you explain how this works? Are these Hungarian citizens living abroad who are able to somehow vote from polling places accessible by train within the Netherlands? Is this an EU organized thing?

Only in Amsterdam inside Netherlands after waiting a long line. At the same time Hungarians in Romania could vote by mail and the government was using Fidesz to collect the votes and threw out votes of the opposition. The soft dictatorship works very well, Hungary will go even more down in the future. I'll probably leave Hungary before Hungary leaves EU/NATO and gets into a war.

Who exactly would Hungary get into a war with? It borders Slovakia (EU member), Austria (EU member), Croatia (EU member), Serbia, Romania (EU member), Ukraine, and Poland (EU member). Is it your contention that it's going to invade the EU? Or Serbia? Or Ukraine? Or is Hungary going to use its awesome force projection capabilities to get into a war with a country that it doesn't border?

Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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Post by noizejoy »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #37
tjr225 wrote: post #28

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Physical infrastructure can be fragile/fail catastrophically, as well. I recall starting a job near Seattle, 40 miles from my home in Olympia, WA and a passenger train derailed onto the highway killing a few people and backing up traffic for days. That was not a pleasant first day! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Washington_train_derailme...

I assume, however, that this didn't ground every single train in the state!

I believe most trains in the world are grounded to this day.

(Mixed metaphors always make me smile.)

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