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i know more people with chromebooks and ipads they never use who went back to pc and enjoy windows 11..
My wife has never owned a windows laptop; she's been on Chromebooks exclusively since 2017. I don't know how far apart the ratio is, but now you know one more ;)
Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped
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Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped
#52I will not run Windows 11 on any personal computer. I will discourage anyone else from doing so. Reasons, in no particular order:
- Windows 10 has been getting harder and harder to install with a "local account only" over the years. You used to opt out. Now you have to disconnect the physical network connection to pull it off, and then it badgers you until you find the checkbox for the notifications. Windows 11 Home explicitly didn't support offline accounts, and as of some recent updates, Windows 11 Pro doesn't support offline accounts. You have to use a Microsoft Account to log in - which tells me that the value of having a particular computer's used tied to a particular email address with insert handwave privacy policy barriers here in the way is worth a lot of money to Microsoft. I'm not sure what exactly they are and aren't snorfing up for app data and such, but clearly, knowing which exact human is behind the screen is worth a lot, which tells me they're doing something on the big data backend. Or, at least, plan to - if they're not doing it now, it will likely sneak in at some update.
- The integration of advertising into the deepest cores of the UI (Explorer) are clear from the fact that during the beta, a bad blob of advertising JSON delivered to end user computers literally rendered them unusable. The JSON, to display an ad, broke Explorer. Those two should not be remotely at the same privilege level for a variety of reasons, but when "displaying the ads" is at the same level as "me deciding which programs to launch," it tells me something about the priorities of the company releasing the system. It's no longer about running programs, it's about pushing the limits of just how much you can shove in front of a set of monetized eyballs before they revolt. My limit is quite low.
- The "Oh, yes, yes, we need modern hardware to run this... oh, what's that, one of the machines we're selling right now won't run it... right, except for that bit of hardware we whitelisted on an older chip..." thing is rubbish. It's a way to try and juice the PC hardware industry, which is struggling for a variety of reasons, but it's a clear money grab (all those new OEM licenses!) with very real environmental consequences (gobs of ewaste that otherwise would work fine - I've got an i7-970 with a 7970 at a relative's place and it works perfectly fine for their needs, including some light gaming). They're weirdly non-committal about anything "Unsupported" too - "Well, yeah, you can install it... and it works, but, you know, we might not deliver security updates forever..." Not confidence inspiring.
And the reality is that for an awful lot of people, the "computer" is "the thing that runs the web browser." Or "the thing collecting dust in the corner because the phone is the primary device."
I hope this whole Win11 thing blows up in Microsoft's face. It's a user-hostile money grab, because apparently they couldn't get Windows 10 to do quite enough data collection for their desires.
I'll run Win10 in random corners of computers until such point as it's no longer supported, and then I'll just expand my Linux partitions over it. If I can't play certain games, well, so be it. Windows 11 is not for me.
Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped
#53They won’t to arm twist people off Win10 to 11 and force you to buy a new PC. No. This is why we have choices and Linux Mint.
windows 11 is better for requiring the modern cpus..it suffers greatly in performance if you install it on unsupported chipsets..
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#54sure quirks along the way but to me it’s been a fine experience..
i don’t tend to customize my iphone or mac either and just use the experience native and it’s been fine..
best times ever on all platforms. love new mac… love new surface pro 8. all great..
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#55Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped
#56Windows adoption is largely driven by corporations. Most corporates align on a common policy of migration to every second major Windows release following this pattern: Windows NT 4, Windows XP, Windows 7, Windows 10 With Windows 2000, Windows Vista, and Windows 11 skipped. Which is a shame as these same corporates who have fleets of Apple Mac computers normally migrate annually about 6-9 months after each major annua…
Those have a much longer support period, though. MacOS 11 works on any Mac from 2013 (or occasionally 2014) on. Windows 11 appears to require at least a Kaby Lake processor; those mostly showed up in mid 2017. Many corporates would still have Skylake or earlier machines knocking around; my work machine is a Skylake MacBook Pro, and that's in a large _software_ company.
This is particularly a problem because Intel has been in a bit of a rut; there's not that much difference between a Skylake chip from 2016 and an Ice Lake one from 2020, particularly on the desktop, so there are a lot of Skylakes still in circulation.
Which is all a bit odd, really; traditionally it has been the opposite. But as Apple's support periods have grown, Microsoft's seem to have shrunk.
Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped
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windows 11 is better for requiring the modern cpus..it suffers greatly in performance if you install it on unsupported chipsets..
What changed between a 7th and 8th gen intel cpu that made it not work?
Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped
#58My gaming PC, which isn't that old (Skylake / GTX 1080) isn't compatible with Windows 11. It still works fine, but given that it will inevitably be out of date with something that requires Windows 11, and the current impossibility of buying reasonably priced GPUs, I bought an XBox instead. Microsoft gets my money anyway, I suppose, but all my real work is done on a Mac. It's funny how Microsoft is basically just a ga…
Steam's Proton compatibility layer has come a long way in the past couple of years. It supports most titles without any special configuration, including resource-hungry 3D games like Elden Ring and modded Fallout 4.
Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped
#59Windows adoption is largely driven by corporations. Most corporates align on a common policy of migration to every second major Windows release following this pattern: Windows NT 4, Windows XP, Windows 7, Windows 10 With Windows 2000, Windows Vista, and Windows 11 skipped. Which is a shame as these same corporates who have fleets of Apple Mac computers normally migrate annually about 6-9 months after each major annua…
You forgot Windows 8. Don't worry, so did everyone else - probably for the best.
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#60So, maybe I'm misremembering, but wasn't Windows 10 meant to be the forever-Windows? I'm almost sure there was some marketing to that effect from Redmond at the time.