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Re: A history of Hup, the jump sound of shooting games

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Post by jameshart »

contingencies wrote: post #44

Donkey Kong (1981). Notable as the first platformer with jumping. Although this version may not be the original. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSc3GCVOt_Y Donkey Kong Jr (1982). https://youtu.be/GmOJN-zq6yg?t=21 Moon Patrol (1982). https://youtu.be/39EsNumG3Fc?t=129 Jungle King (1982). https://youtu.be/ahfHlIqOLRY?t=13 Alley Cat (1983). Note silence until clothes line. https://youtu.be/C9pFZVfWPMo?t=180 Manic Miner…

I was reading the article incredulously, wondering how they kept going back and forth between pong and Quake, as if no game between had ever had a character jump before, in complete disbelief that the writer seemed totally unaware of the concept of a 2D platform game.

Re: A history of Hup, the jump sound of shooting games

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Post by rubicon33 »

icecap12 wrote: post #19

The 'hup' for me will always be associated with Quake, as I played that for a long time. When I was a youngster in the early 90s, a grade school classmate of mine had a huge computer network at home. His dad worked for the (local) Washington, DC NBC affiliate as one of their system engineers. Their house was fully networked mecca of multiple Unix, Windows, and Apple machines on different floors. Back then most homes…

It was gaming, specifically Half Life, Quake, and Unreal that really gripped me in my young years and fascinated me. I attribute my love for software those wonderful years!

Re: A history of Hup, the jump sound of shooting games

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Post by rubicon33 »

vehemenz wrote: post #49
icecap12 wrote: post #19

The 'hup' for me will always be associated with Quake, as I played that for a long time. When I was a youngster in the early 90s, a grade school classmate of mine had a huge computer network at home. His dad worked for the (local) Washington, DC NBC affiliate as one of their system engineers. Their house was fully networked mecca of multiple Unix, Windows, and Apple machines on different floors. Back then most homes…

> What I think of as the golden age of FPS games happened shortly after, in 98, with the release of Half-Life and Unreal. I think there are two components to this: the quality of the games and the community. Modern shooters like Overwatch are amazing. Where they tend to falter: 1. Lack of emergent gameplay (circle jumping, bunny hopping, conc grenade jumping) 2. Curated experience (matchmaking) is inferior to communi…

Totally agree. Half Life also had Tau/Gauss jumping. Movement dynamics by comparison nowadays are way more restricted, scripted, and generally "easier" but less rewarding. Nothing quite as thrilling as timing a perfect conc nade jump to launch yourself across the map deep into the teams flag room :)

Re: A history of Hup, the jump sound of shooting games

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Post by djur »

onli wrote: post #37
amalcon wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bond couldn't jump, but I'm pretty sure I remember enemies doing a jump and roll thing. It's been long enough that I don't entirely trust that memory, though.

Pretty sure you are right. I can see the image in my head, the soldier would roll and then kneel while shooting. Bond had no jump that I can I remember though. And now that I wrote that I sincerely hope to not have it mixed up with the "kneel while shooting" stance of the enemies in deus ex. Those did no roll. Edit: One can one enemy see do the roll in the next few seconds of https://youtu.be/D6l6_WKxRck?t=353 .

It was a really hilariously slow roll, and it didn't give enemies invincibility frames, so you could just shoot them a bunch while they were rolling and they'd flop over dead once they ended the roll.

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Post by BoorishBears »

vehemenz wrote: post #49
icecap12 wrote: post #19

The 'hup' for me will always be associated with Quake, as I played that for a long time. When I was a youngster in the early 90s, a grade school classmate of mine had a huge computer network at home. His dad worked for the (local) Washington, DC NBC affiliate as one of their system engineers. Their house was fully networked mecca of multiple Unix, Windows, and Apple machines on different floors. Back then most homes…

> What I think of as the golden age of FPS games happened shortly after, in 98, with the release of Half-Life and Unreal. I think there are two components to this: the quality of the games and the community. Modern shooters like Overwatch are amazing. Where they tend to falter: 1. Lack of emergent gameplay (circle jumping, bunny hopping, conc grenade jumping) 2. Curated experience (matchmaking) is inferior to communi…

Funny you mention Overwatch because it has both

Mountains of emergent gameplay (if you play at a high enough level), and community led servers with custom game modes via the workshop.

But people still queue up for competitive because the very existence of a 24/7 accessible competitive system with instant post match feedback (read: not going to tournaments) is a huge draw for a lot of people, even if it's at the expense of the community aspect.

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Post by hnlmorg »

contingencies wrote: post #44

Donkey Kong (1981). Notable as the first platformer with jumping. Although this version may not be the original. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSc3GCVOt_Y Donkey Kong Jr (1982). https://youtu.be/GmOJN-zq6yg?t=21 Moon Patrol (1982). https://youtu.be/39EsNumG3Fc?t=129 Jungle King (1982). https://youtu.be/ahfHlIqOLRY?t=13 Alley Cat (1983). Note silence until clothes line. https://youtu.be/C9pFZVfWPMo?t=180 Manic Miner…

I completely agree.

The increasing and decreasing blips as seen on your Manic Miner example is what I remember as iconic jumping sounds. The pitch and tones of those blips you vary from game to game but they were prevalent in the 80s era games on 8-bit micros.

After that I’d say it was shorter version that still employed a rising to lowering tone but which didn’t span the entire duration of the characters air time. The Super Mario example demonstrates this. Sonic The Hedgehog did too.

I find it weird to discuss jump sounds from an era where encoding PCM data was trivial but ignore several generations of games where sound effects had to be programmed as tones.

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Post by Shared404 »

jameshart wrote: post #51
contingencies wrote: post #44

Donkey Kong (1981). Notable as the first platformer with jumping. Although this version may not be the original. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSc3GCVOt_Y Donkey Kong Jr (1982). https://youtu.be/GmOJN-zq6yg?t=21 Moon Patrol (1982). https://youtu.be/39EsNumG3Fc?t=129 Jungle King (1982). https://youtu.be/ahfHlIqOLRY?t=13 Alley Cat (1983). Note silence until clothes line. https://youtu.be/C9pFZVfWPMo?t=180 Manic Miner…

I was reading the article incredulously, wondering how they kept going back and forth between pong and Quake, as if no game between had ever had a character jump before, in complete disbelief that the writer seemed totally unaware of the concept of a 2D platform game.

It may have been edited, but the article's current title is "A History of Hup, the Jump Sound of Shooting Games" - which seemsore accurate.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #43
Forgeties79 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This strikes me as a bit pedantic as both of you are somewhat right and ultimately a lot of the assessments have been pretty subjective/qualitative. I tend to lean towards the other guy’s characterization personally, but I wouldn’t say you’re wrong . Part of it is that we have to recognize the video game industry dwarfs all other media right now - but in the early 90’s? Not even close. Yes gaming existed prior, inclu…

My perspective (from near Dayton, Ohio, US, born in 1977) was that a significant number of people had home computers (a lot of Commodore 64's and VIC 20's, various TRS-80 models, some Atari 8-bit machines, some TI machines, a few Amiga machines, a scant few Apple II's and even fewer Macintosh machines) but most kids my age weren't using the machines significantly. Kids might play a game here or there, or type a schoo…

Yeah this is very much how I’d describe as well. Nintendo had captured ~90% of the console market in the late 80’s/early 90’s while consoles were basically THE way most people played video games.

There’s a great book called Console Wars if anyone is curious about the rise of Nintendo, Sega, etc. It can be a tad dry at times but overall the stories behind these companies are often compelling in their own right. It does a GREAT job of explaining early gaming at universities and how certain programs proliferated. The 70’s were fascinating - people saw what games could be but were all tripping over each other trying to figure out how to get there.

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Post by greggman3 »

Alex3917 wrote: post #13

This definitely didn't come from Quake. Dark Castle did this, and that game came out in 1986: https://youtu.be/UndXYYosDk4?t=41

There used to be a video game database that tried to catalog firsts. It was almost always wrong because fans would put in their faves and not know the history.

One example I remember is the claim that Sonic was the first character with an idle animation. Plenty of examples from 10 years before Sonic.

Others were things like first game with an inventory. First game to scroll. Someone would always find some older game. Then people would argue about influence or trying to define genres (first RPG, that depends on what an RPG is, etc...)

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