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Re: Elan School

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Post by cptcobalt »

GistNoesis wrote: post #12

Warning : The read is really-long (multiple-hour), and potentially PTSD trigger inducing. Interesting but disturbing. Happy that such hell-hole is now closed. There is also a documentary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Darkness (available on Netflix) about the school.

I just came up for air after reading this. Holy shit. I need warm fuzzies for the rest of the night.

I absolutely believe this darkness continues to exist in the world—maybe in the US, definitely elsewhere; and it should not fucking exist.

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Post by aklemm »

This makes me wonder who the Mr. Cirri-types in other states. Are there fewer in the social media age? Can we out them?

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Post by aceazzameen »

I read this last fall. It completely shook me. Even if the whole thing was made up, it's an extremely compelling read. I couldn't stop. Afterwards I went down an internet rabbit hole reading all about Elan. While it's thankfully gone now, I still can't believe schools just like it are all over the US at this very moment.

There's a few new entries to the comic that I should read, but I don't know if I can.

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Post by scruple »

tharne wrote: post #43
DeWilde wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain as to why you can't send children to play in a park? I don't understand, like far away or even near their home?

The rational answer is that you absolutely can send your children to play in the park. Why don't people do this then? In the U.S. in most states, leaving children unattended even close to home for any amount of time is considered a form of neglect or abuse, though the precise wording varies by state and the age of the child. The risk is that if the police pick up your kid or if the state department of child and famil…

I'm now curious if this links to the childhood obesity epidemic in the country.

edit/ I just saw another comment you made that suggests that it does. I wonder then if the "free-range parenting" legislation in Utah, Texas, and Oklahoma has made a difference.

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Post by candiodari »

tsol wrote: post #50
DeWilde wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These would be categorized as crimes against humanity.

Cruel and unusual punishment sure, but crimes against humanity might be a little far

Does it matter? These crimes were mostly committed with full knowledge and cooperation of government, even organised BY government. Everything was done to avoid real blame on any individual, when of course nearly all were perfectly aware what was happening, or wilfully closed their eyes, including the local police, police from the states the kids were from. Schools, CPS, therapists, ... from various states kids were from. Nobody will be punished, it doesn't matter how serious the crime is.

I'm pointing out that most kids were "coming from group homes" and therefore placed there by CPS. And this is not the worst CPS in the US has done to kids by a long shot, in fact they're still at it. Now with "ABA".

They rename the basic technique again and again, brainwashing with constant violence, inducing 24/7 stress, executed in practice by near-minimum-wage idiots rather than anyone with real training (or, frankly, intelligence), which then "necessitates" constant violence when children grow (you could, of course, also allow those kids a normal life, but no, they "have to be kids". So for instance the standard reaction in smarter autistic people, RAPIDLY becoming independent, has to be punished severely). But the basic premise of 24/7 stress with violence to make it inescapable has not changed.

Of course, the violence means that sometimes "accidentally" the kids get hurt, sometimes maimed or killed. That hasn't changed. Now when I say accidentally I mean they attacked these kids violently, and killed them, and they really meant to use that violence. They merely did not mean for that violence to end their lives. Of course, that's, at best, second degree murder. Nobody, of course, has gotten any serious punishment for such incidents, never mind people running or using ABA institutes.

https://sociallyanxiousadvocate.wordpress.com/2015/05/22/why...

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Post by verisimi »

Horrifying read, kudos to the author for getting it all down there.

I can't help but think that similar yet broader tactics are in play with the way we are governed.

* Our reality is mediated for us by screens and education. These determine what we can conceive of. For our parents and peers too. This is under control of government+corporations.

* We defer to experts, are not 'discouraged' from individual opinions or from exercising free speech. Dissenting from acceptable opinion will mean being downvoted, de-platformed, labelled anti-vax, pro-putin, etc.

* Collectivised behaviour is encouraged, individuality, independent thinking is discouraged except in narrow bands - eg developing some software solution for a corporation, or art to help sell a product.

* Money is God.

* Personal verification of knowledge is pfff, impossible! so individuals have to accept the provided belief system, with experts mediating everything health, diet, even morality (ethics committees). Unverified and unverifiable science is our religion.

* Its acceptable to have corporations and governments owning your private data.

* This all perfectly normal.

* Etc

Anyway, I'm pretty sure we are all living in a cult - what we experience is not naturally unfolding. I also think we all know this too, but are in various stages of denial about the scope - it is far more comforting not to engage. Don't look within, don't try to know for oneself, heaven forbid.

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Post by rictic »

erdos4d wrote: post #45
cameronfraser wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They lie to parents and misrepresent the school usually. When parents go to visit everyone is acting to some extent. That being said it's usually narcissistic parents with money who are looking for an easy solution. There were quite a few fairly famous children there. Most of the kids there had issues for sure, including myself, but it was still in the realm of normal teenager issues.

> That being said it's usually narcissistic parents with money who are looking for an easy solution. After reading this and the previous thread on these programs, I really get the impression that this is the fundamental driver behind it. Some people in comments try to paint a picture of desperate parents at their wits end taken in by the program's lies, but these kids didn't wake up one day and decide to have a lot o…

That's a comforting narrative, that good parents couldn't end up with terribly behaving and out of control children. I think that good parenting probably does greatly reduce the chance, but it would be surprising if it totally eliminated the possibility.

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Post by manmal »

rictic wrote: post #58
erdos4d wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That being said it's usually narcissistic parents with money who are looking for an easy solution. After reading this and the previous thread on these programs, I really get the impression that this is the fundamental driver behind it. Some people in comments try to paint a picture of desperate parents at their wits end taken in by the program's lies, but these kids didn't wake up one day and decide to have a lot o…

That's a comforting narrative, that good parents couldn't end up with terribly behaving and out of control children. I think that good parenting probably does greatly reduce the chance, but it would be surprising if it totally eliminated the possibility.

Brain disorders (like fetal alcohol spectrum disorders, which can be caused by drinking moderately before becoming aware of pregnancy) can do that to children of well-behaving and loving parents.
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