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ArtFrame: E-paper wireless artwork for your living room

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Re: ArtFrame: E-paper wireless artwork for your living room

#51

What is the customer need being solved, and why is this 900 Euro 13 inch display a better solution than either paper or TV?

Fresh art all the time Don't have to print and change the artwork manually No backlight - looks just like real art No cord, battery-powered, lasts a long time

Re: ArtFrame: E-paper wireless artwork for your living room

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I was moderately excited when I saw the photos, but wow those prices! 900 € for a 13 inch screen? For comparison, you can get a 55" Samsung Frame TV for cheaper than that. Digital photo frames are under $100. I like e-ink, but not that much.

Eink is just really expensive right now. I believe that it’s heavily patented and only one or two places produces the panels.

No they're not that expensive, I bought a 7 color epaper panel for 60$ for a e-comic book project.

You could make one of these frames and save 400-500$

https://www.waveshare.com/product/displays/e-paper/13.3inch-...

^ Here is a 13inch high resolution epaper screen that I found.

Re: ArtFrame: E-paper wireless artwork for your living room

#53
When can I get one that's several feet x several feet in dimensions, like an actual painting's canvas?

Eink has been around for several years now but apparently they are unable to just make a big panel? That combined with their idiotic pricing scheme makes me think their management is just stupid

Re: ArtFrame: E-paper wireless artwork for your living room

#54
Imagine a full, half or quarter wall size of e-paper that dynamically display all of your ebooks collection as if they are physical copies in your study room, main hall, etc.

The main different compared to the physical bookshelf is that it is always updating (round-robin, moving, rotating, etc) thus it can display all your books in a limited e-paper physical gallery space (depending on the installed e-paper size and dimension) but should cover all your ebooks over time.

Re: ArtFrame: E-paper wireless artwork for your living room

#55

What is the customer need being solved, and why is this 900 Euro 13 inch display a better solution than either paper or TV?

Fresh art all the time Don't have to print and change the artwork manually No backlight - looks just like real art No cord, battery-powered, lasts a long time

I see. I'm not a target customer, but curious to see if customers do value those attributes and buy this product.

Re: ArtFrame: E-paper wireless artwork for your living room

#56

If they get to say 220dpi, 12x8", at least 128 shades of grey and a really, really white "paper", that would be enough for this to be interesting. But they are not there yet. I love black and white but this is not much better than framing a page from a newspaper -- which has an appeal this does not.

I do wonder what kind of 'contrast ratio' they can get. Though I am not quite familiar with how to measure and define 'contrast ratio' for print. I am sure its complicated.

Re: ArtFrame: E-paper wireless artwork for your living room

#57

This is neat, but it looks like something the HN crowd would build themselves over buying. I know my first impulse was "I could make this..."

I think at those price points I'd be tempted to just find something like a 10.3" Kobo Elipsa on sale and see if I could hack it to display a slide show.

Wouldn't be as pretty as this but it's much higher resolution at 227ppi.

Maybe that's the unique selling point of this; a nice presentable frame and photo matte.

Re: ArtFrame: E-paper wireless artwork for your living room

#58
post #21

I was moderately excited when I saw the photos, but wow those prices! 900 € for a 13 inch screen? For comparison, you can get a 55" Samsung Frame TV for cheaper than that. Digital photo frames are under $100. I like e-ink, but not that much.

Exactly...as an example:

The ArtFrame 6": - Has a 166 PPI 6 inch eInk screen - Can store 150 pictures (let's be generous and presume it has 1 GB of internal storage) - Costs €349

The Kobo Clara HD ereader: - Has a 300 PPI 6 inch eInk screen - Has 8 GB of internal storage - Costs €140

Re: ArtFrame: E-paper wireless artwork for your living room

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post #21

I was moderately excited when I saw the photos, but wow those prices! 900 € for a 13 inch screen? For comparison, you can get a 55" Samsung Frame TV for cheaper than that. Digital photo frames are under $100. I like e-ink, but not that much.

Exactly...as an example: The ArtFrame 6": - Has a 166 PPI 6 inch eInk screen - Can store 150 pictures (let's be generous and presume it has 1 GB of internal storage) - Costs €349 The Kobo Clara HD ereader: - Has a 300 PPI 6 inch eInk screen - Has 8 GB of internal storage - Costs €140

I got a PocketBook e-reader with a 6" 300PPI screen for €100. You can add your own software to it (e.g. KOReader), and with a little bit of software to automatically change the pictures it would do exactly the same as this. You can get larger eReaders with similar quality for not much more. The only difference with this ArtFrame is that the frame around the display doesn't look as nice, but that's also a fixable problem with a minimum of technical chops.

6" is also really small for an art display IMO. Even 13.3" is kinda small. If they would be offering a much larger 40" art display I might consider it for €900, depending on picture quality. But at this price 150/166 ppi display is just bonkers.

Re: ArtFrame: E-paper wireless artwork for your living room

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's interesting the three color thing didn't know that was a thing

Check this out: https://thepihut.com/products/inky-impression-4-7-colour-epa...

Oh nice they are actually in stock again. They were unavailable so long I stopped checking. Thanks for the tip
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