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It takes at least a few seconds for humans to take over; any judge will assume that much.
In fact, Mercedes give the driver a full 10 seconds of buffer from first alert to relinquishing liability.
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Sure, just one example: Tesla Truck presentation, by Elon: [1] With unbreakable windows (forbidden for safety, otherwise there would not be carjackings anymore). [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7atGkba-Z8
We shall see whether that was BS or not. The unbreakable windows part, yeah probably a bit of BS, but it doesn't rise nearly to the level of what other car companies put out. I mean… VW… And Mercedes promised self driving taxis "in three years from now" back in 2017 so… Tesla is not alone is delivering this later than expected. https://www.wired.com/2017/04/mercedes-promises-self-driving...
https://futurism.com/elon-musk-teslas-autonomous-car-will-dr...
(spoiler: it didn't as of 2022)
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Here are some of Tesla's advertised lies about full self-driving: - https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now... - https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-promises-full-self-driving-ne...
- Nothing BS about the first link. - The second one has been debunked repeatedly. Elon has predicted self driving dates (wrongly), not promised them. A prediction is not a promise. Mercedes is two years late on this "promise" too if we're doing that. Sure, Elon has been making his wrong predictions for more years, but now Mercedes is copying him: https://www.wired.com/2017/04/mercedes-promises-self-driving...
So your claim is that Teslas had "the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver" five years ago, conveniently ignoring the fact that the hardware has changed multiple times since then and even more conveniently ignoring the fact that Tesla still doesn't have a full self-driving product. Sorry, but that's bullshit.
> The second one has been debunked repeatedly
So your claim is that there are 1 million Tesla robotaxis operating on the roads right now. This too is plainly bullshit.
Clearly Tesla's advertising has worked on you. The advertising has worked so well that you're fully bought into the bullshit to the point of irrationality.
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Sure, just one example: Tesla Truck presentation, by Elon: [1] With unbreakable windows (forbidden for safety, otherwise there would not be carjackings anymore). [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7atGkba-Z8
We shall see whether that was BS or not. The unbreakable windows part, yeah probably a bit of BS, but it doesn't rise nearly to the level of what other car companies put out. I mean… VW… And Mercedes promised self driving taxis "in three years from now" back in 2017 so… Tesla is not alone is delivering this later than expected. https://www.wired.com/2017/04/mercedes-promises-self-driving...
Sure! Let's test the glass on a Volkswagen Golf:
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> I think they're a young overseas resident who panicked. Ok, I need to call this out. Unless I missed something, there's nothing to suggest that the person involved is an overseas resident. > but you get a year on your homeland licence before having to sit a local road rules exam. P-plates suggests she's doing a local driving licence. If you area foreigner from quite a few countries you just show your existing drivi…
> Ok, I need to call this out. Unless I missed something, there's nothing to suggest that the person involved is an overseas resident. Just based on the picture I'd be pretty confident she is. I find it fairly easy to pick out young people from Asia who are recent immigrants based on their dress and hairstyles.
> recent immigrants
A recent immigrant, by definition, cannot be an overseas resident (at least not by normal definitions of 'resident').
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- Nothing BS about the first link. - The second one has been debunked repeatedly. Elon has predicted self driving dates (wrongly), not promised them. A prediction is not a promise. Mercedes is two years late on this "promise" too if we're doing that. Sure, Elon has been making his wrong predictions for more years, but now Mercedes is copying him: https://www.wired.com/2017/04/mercedes-promises-self-driving...
> Nothing BS about the first link. So your claim is that Teslas had "the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver" five years ago, conveniently ignoring the fact that the hardware has changed multiple times since then and even more conveniently ignoring the fact that Tesla still doesn't have a full self-driving product. Sorry, but that's bull…
Taxi timeline was a prediction, not a promise. Elon. Can. Be. Wrong.
Hardware is not software. The hardware working depends on software that is not done yet.
Some hardware has been upgraded to be sure. The jury is still out on whether that old claim will pan out, pending future software updates. I doubt it will, but I think it was made in earnestness, not as “BS”.
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> I think they're a young overseas resident who panicked. Ok, I need to call this out. Unless I missed something, there's nothing to suggest that the person involved is an overseas resident. > but you get a year on your homeland licence before having to sit a local road rules exam. P-plates suggests she's doing a local driving licence. If you area foreigner from quite a few countries you just show your existing drivi…
You're right the linked article doesn't mention it. If you search the drivers name and Tesla, other articles do claim that she is not a citizen or permanent resident of Australia and is there on a bridging visa.
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> Nothing BS about the first link. So your claim is that Teslas had "the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver" five years ago, conveniently ignoring the fact that the hardware has changed multiple times since then and even more conveniently ignoring the fact that Tesla still doesn't have a full self-driving product. Sorry, but that's bull…
It’s not about me, it’s more about overinterpreting statements. News flash: Elon can be wrong, has been wrong, will be wrong. This is not news, even to his fans. Taxi timeline was a prediction, not a promise. Elon. Can. Be. Wrong. Hardware is not software. The hardware working depends on software that is not done yet. Some hardware has been upgraded to be sure. The jury is still out on whether that old claim will pan…
So you agree: it's bullshit.
> I doubt it will, but I think it was made in earnestness, not as “BS”.
No, it's just bullshit. Musk's strategy is to keep telling bigger lies because there are always more suckers to fleece. His latest bullshit is the Tesla Bot.
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Autopilot operates on normal roads. It’s essentially lane following and dynamic cruise control.
Melbourne doesn't generally have what Autopilot would consider "normal" roads, though. The incident involved someone getting off a tram, so the road would have looked something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunswick_East,_Victoria#/medi... In the future, perhaps Teslas will handle this well, but you only need to watch a few videos of them encountering similar markings on YouTube to know that this type of…
In Melbourne, quite often there are 4 lane roads (2 lanes in each direction) with tramlines in the inner two lanes going in each direction. At the tram stops, passengers need to walk across the outer lane to get to/from the sidewalk, so cars need to stop behind the tram even if they are in the outer lane and not directly behind the tram so that they can make way for passengers. Having moved here from Sydney a few yea…