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The snap thing makes me want to switch distro (for work) from ubuntu. Unfortunately we have some benefits from using ubuntu as the common platform for less divergence from each other
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Counter point for general software: some people don't upgrade software for _years_, due to which vendors have two problems - 1. Open security vulnerabilities 2. Necessity to maintain backward compatible infra To offset this, two channels of releases can be maintained - one for security fixes, another for general features etc. But again here, we run into problems where maintenance of two channels isn't economical, and…
> How can these be addressed if upgrades are not forced, are there standard processes followed that provide the best compromise for both vendors and end users? There is an easy way to solve this problem. Default to auto updates, allow people to turn it off, by acknowledging what that means. Most users use whatever is the default anyways. Vendors gets to push their updates, users who don't want those, can reject them.…
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I feel like people who use fedora swear by it. What DE do you use? I prefer KDE but donno if it’s time to retry gnome or something else.
If you're moving to Fedora then Gnome really is the path of least resistance, and highest level of integration and support. But you can make KDE work, or even use a tiling WM like Sway and customize it to your taste. In any case, you get to enjoy the benefits of a really well done distro.
We use microk8s on our dev clusters and its really great when an automatic upgrade goes sideways. Also using channels didn't help since even a minor upgrade managed to break our setup once. The last half year or so went ok, but not being able to stop automatic upgrades is ridiculous. In general I like opinionated software, but sometimes it goes to far.
If you try to talk about how Linux distributions don’t like it, they’ll just say, “but Snap is available on all the distributions” or some crap cop-out.
I had a long forum thread about all the issues people are complaining about half a decade ago. They wouldn’t budge, and still won’t budge.
I have been using Fedora 34/35 the last year or so, and Flatpaks are well integrated and mostly just works without any performance hit. Being able to adjust permissions per app (with Flatseal) has also been a great experience.
I have little experience with Snap, but the few times I have had to deal with it on Ubuntu-based distros, it has left a bad impression from a user perspective.
> The issue that makes us resist the idea of simply disabling updates altogether is that very often that will mean never update rather than update at someone’s discretion, and then we’re getting back to some of the problems that got us here in the first place. I’m sorry, who owns the machine here?
Counter point for general software: some people don't upgrade software for _years_, due to which vendors have two problems - 1. Open security vulnerabilities 2. Necessity to maintain backward compatible infra To offset this, two channels of releases can be maintained - one for security fixes, another for general features etc. But again here, we run into problems where maintenance of two channels isn't economical, and…
Never used a snap. Never will.
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Counter point for general software: some people don't upgrade software for _years_, due to which vendors have two problems - 1. Open security vulnerabilities 2. Necessity to maintain backward compatible infra To offset this, two channels of releases can be maintained - one for security fixes, another for general features etc. But again here, we run into problems where maintenance of two channels isn't economical, and…
I'll give you the same answer I gave people when Microsoft started doing the same nonsense with Win10: I totally agree your average end user is poor at managing updates themselves and thus it is justified to enable auto-updates by default. What that does not justify is totally removing the ability to turn them off. Feel free to make it a little harder to disable: the user has to run a CLI command or something, but th…
Almost feels like malware on every level. Can't comprehend why they are pushing it so hard.
Ubuntu is on borrowed time.