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Ivermectin Didn’t Reduce Covid-19 Hospitalizations in Largest Trial to Date

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Re: Ivermectin Didn’t Reduce Covid-19 Hospitalizations in Largest Trial to Date

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Post by sputr »

imgabe wrote: post #36

The whole Ivermectin debacle was ridiculous. I never had Covid. Or if I did, it was so mild I never noticed. So, I really have no dog in this fight. But the way the media handled this coverage was really, really off-putting. First, if it doesn't work, just say that. "It doesn't work". "Ivermectin is not an effective treatment for Covid". That's all that was really necessary, right? But no, there was this whole ridicu…

Firstly, they (aka medical leadership in most countries) did say that.

Secondly the whole "horse drug" came about because people actually started taking a literal horse drug when they could not get their hands on a prescription for the human version. So people made fun of them.

And yes, taking a drug dosed/mixed for horses based on Facebook posts makes you a wackjob.

Not gonna defend the media and political spindoctors. But we all know what they are about. All people had to do was listen to the medical authorities.

But no, everyone applies the "politicians/media lies" selectevly so that they can keep listening to the ones that make them feel good.

Re: Ivermectin Didn’t Reduce Covid-19 Hospitalizations in Largest Trial to Date

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Post by HL33tibCe7 »

edmcnulty101 wrote: post #42
HL33tibCe7 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never said that he _only_ platforms experts that agree with him. I’m saying the skew is enormous. So (say) 99% of the relevant scientific and medical community realise ivermectin is bogus and the vaccines work. But he’ll invite on (say) a 75/25 split for/against ivermectin.

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You need to go back and re-read my comment. He is skewing by cherry-picking. The two aren’t mutually incompatible.

Re: Ivermectin Didn’t Reduce Covid-19 Hospitalizations in Largest Trial to Date

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Post by [deleted] »

imgabe wrote: post #36

The whole Ivermectin debacle was ridiculous. I never had Covid. Or if I did, it was so mild I never noticed. So, I really have no dog in this fight. But the way the media handled this coverage was really, really off-putting. First, if it doesn't work, just say that. "It doesn't work". "Ivermectin is not an effective treatment for Covid". That's all that was really necessary, right? But no, there was this whole ridicu…

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Re: Ivermectin Didn’t Reduce Covid-19 Hospitalizations in Largest Trial to Date

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Post by imgabe »

_fizz_buzz_ wrote: post #47
imgabe wrote: post #36

The whole Ivermectin debacle was ridiculous. I never had Covid. Or if I did, it was so mild I never noticed. So, I really have no dog in this fight. But the way the media handled this coverage was really, really off-putting. First, if it doesn't work, just say that. "It doesn't work". "Ivermectin is not an effective treatment for Covid". That's all that was really necessary, right? But no, there was this whole ridicu…

It was a story because people, for some stupid reason, started buying the horse version of the drug and horse owners couldn't get Ivermectin for their horses anymore: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/20/ivermectin-sho... I haven't read any story that said: "It's a horsey drug for horses! If you take it, that means you're a horse!"

Yeah that didn’t really happen. The article you linked is a 404

Obviously they didn’t use those exact words, but any time it was mentioned they were sure to include something like “…which is used to treat livestock…”, when that is not really relevant since it’s also widely used for people.

Re: Ivermectin Didn’t Reduce Covid-19 Hospitalizations in Largest Trial to Date

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Post by nradov »

HL33tibCe7 wrote: post #12
simonh wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair to Joe he wasn't giving medical advice, but licensed doctors on his show were.

This sounds reasonable, until you realise that his opinions massively skew which licensed doctors he lets on the show. So effectively you’re ending up with him pushing his opinion anyway. If you cherry-pick your experts enough, you’ll be able to find one that agrees with you, no matter how absurd your position. I’ll also note that much of the time the licensed doctors he invites on aren’t actually in relevant special…

Do you mean licensed doctors like Peter Attia or Michael Osterholm? As guests on Joe Rogan's podcast, both of them repeatedly recommended that people get vaccinated, and said that there wasn't reliable evidence for ivermectin.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5DuxGhOJSa7X0AKvJGwwta?si=P...

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5VSukFrMYGae1ILd0e4HuR?si=B...

Re: Ivermectin Didn’t Reduce Covid-19 Hospitalizations in Largest Trial to Date

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Post by _fizz_buzz_ »

imgabe wrote: post #54
_fizz_buzz_ wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was a story because people, for some stupid reason, started buying the horse version of the drug and horse owners couldn't get Ivermectin for their horses anymore: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/20/ivermectin-sho... I haven't read any story that said: "It's a horsey drug for horses! If you take it, that means you're a horse!"

Yeah that didn’t really happen. The article you linked is a 404 Obviously they didn’t use those exact words, but any time it was mentioned they were sure to include something like “…which is used to treat livestock…”, when that is not really relevant since it’s also widely used for people.

fixed the link

Re: Ivermectin Didn’t Reduce Covid-19 Hospitalizations in Largest Trial to Date

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Post by thepangolino »

_fizz_buzz_ wrote: post #47
imgabe wrote: post #36

The whole Ivermectin debacle was ridiculous. I never had Covid. Or if I did, it was so mild I never noticed. So, I really have no dog in this fight. But the way the media handled this coverage was really, really off-putting. First, if it doesn't work, just say that. "It doesn't work". "Ivermectin is not an effective treatment for Covid". That's all that was really necessary, right? But no, there was this whole ridicu…

It was a story because people, for some stupid reason, started buying the horse version of the drug and horse owners couldn't get Ivermectin for their horses anymore: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/20/ivermectin-sho... I haven't read any story that said: "It's a horsey drug for horses! If you take it, that means you're a horse!"

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Re: Ivermectin Didn’t Reduce Covid-19 Hospitalizations in Largest Trial to Date

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

rendall wrote: post #38
rendall wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To close that circle, apparently parasite infection is quite high in Minas Gerais: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4964320/ > Eleven sites were selected for sampling. Cysts of Entamoeba coli were the most frequently found in this study (50%), followed by Hymenolepis diminuta eggs (27.6%), Iodamoeba butschllii cysts (5.6%), Ascaris lumbricoides eggs (5.6%), Taenia species eggs (5.6%) and hookworm eggs (5.…

Sadly, I could find no studies on parasite infection rates in Minas Tirith, however.

The dreaded Morgul Crabs are a known problem.

Re: Ivermectin Didn’t Reduce Covid-19 Hospitalizations in Largest Trial to Date

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Post by hef19898 »

rendall wrote: post #38
rendall wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To close that circle, apparently parasite infection is quite high in Minas Gerais: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4964320/ > Eleven sites were selected for sampling. Cysts of Entamoeba coli were the most frequently found in this study (50%), followed by Hymenolepis diminuta eggs (27.6%), Iodamoeba butschllii cysts (5.6%), Ascaris lumbricoides eggs (5.6%), Taenia species eggs (5.6%) and hookworm eggs (5.…

Sadly, I could find no studies on parasite infection rates in Minas Tirith, however.

Minas Morgul wouldn't have been a surprise. Minas Tirith so, I thought they were more open and accessible...
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