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To be fair, that seems to be a copy of the page from more than 10 years ago (note the "Copyright 1999-2009" in the footer). The current website still seems to be run by the same company but looks much more modern.
You are probably right. I just Google'd for "Refnes Data" (the name I found on the w3schools page) and this was the first hit. I checked again but did not find a more modern site anywhere. Did you?
Mozilla and Open Web Docs Working Together on MDN
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Re: Mozilla and Open Web Docs Working Together on MDN
#52Re: Mozilla and Open Web Docs Working Together on MDN
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The concern is will MDN still be good in a few years now that Mozilla fired all of the professional technical writers that made MDN good and instead is going for the Wikipedia approach. I have my doubts the quality will remain
This article is about how they are not going for the Wikipedia approach. Instead of articles primarily being written by volunteers, they will mostly be written by paid techwriters at Open Web Docs.
People don't read articles silly. They are going to complain that if they could contribute money to this, they would contribute so much extra money, but they can't because Mozilla takes it.
Despite the article literally covering this very issue. Just read the comments here.
And I'm willing to be they find a way to blame Mozilla for that ignorance.
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#54This “division of labour” is ironic, as Mozilla fired many of its staff including a lot of its MDN staff.
It's not ironic - gotta make space in the budget for exec salaries by cutting a bunch of low-paid folks. Capitalism at work, baby!
They had two high paid execs and cut that in half before cutting any "low-paid" folks.
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"I don't like something so no one should use it!" What kind of logic is that? I actually prefer going to w3schools because as a quick reference I find what I'm looking for much faster than MDN. It has interactive examples right at the top so you can get a quick idea on what a function does. I am happy that both exist. Either you are completely out of touch or you're going to need to show some of the "low quality" exa…
As someone who's done webdev for a living since 1998, I share the OP's distaste for w3schools -- they truly earned their notoriety as a low-quality, spammy, SEO-hacking parasite. It was so bad it inspired a large group of some of the biggest names in the field to push back with a site called "w3fools" that tried to set the record straight and steer the hapless masses away from w3schools. See eg https://web.archive.or…
> Unfortunately, it seems w3schools has since managed to acquire the w3fools domain
"Seems"? Do you know that it is true, or are you guessing?
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That's because donations will never even remotely cover Mozilla's costs. They get something like $3m in donations. Wikipedia gets something like $120m. Mozilla's costs and Google income are like $400m.
Is a browser so expensive to maintain? $400m/year?
Of course.
Mozilla is competing for the same talent as Google, Microsoft, and Apple. Browsers are the most important software at those companies because most other software runs on them.
The Hacker News community doesn’t seem to appreciate the work Mozilla has done to establish web standards. I’ve experienced what it’s like to be stuck with IE6 and IE11 for a decade, holding back web projects at work. Firefox broke through that inertia and made Google, Amazon, Netflix and other companies possible. Essentially, Firefox made the whole “startup” wave Hacker News rides on possible (though much of that momentum transferred to the App Stores).
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Is a browser so expensive to maintain? $400m/year?
Of course. Mozilla is competing for the same talent as Google, Microsoft, and Apple. Browsers are the most important software at those companies because most other software runs on them. The Hacker News community doesn’t seem to appreciate the work Mozilla has done to establish web standards. I’ve experienced what it’s like to be stuck with IE6 and IE11 for a decade, holding back web projects at work. Firefox broke t…
"Mozilla is competing for the same talent as Google, Microsoft, and Apple."
Not exactly the same. Many are willing to accept less pay, to work on meaningful open source and not for advertisement.
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It's not ironic - gotta make space in the budget for exec salaries by cutting a bunch of low-paid folks. Capitalism at work, baby!
They had two high paid execs and cut that in half before cutting any "low-paid" folks.
After strenuously opposing it for three years, in which Baker alone made something like $5-6m, and only because it had become a talking point in media. They still make a cool half million on average - I understand that's small potatoes in SV, but in the great scheme of things it's still a lot.
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They had two high paid execs and cut that in half before cutting any "low-paid" folks.
After strenuously opposing it for three years, in which Baker alone made something like $5-6m, and only because it had become a talking point in media. They still make a cool half million on average - I understand that's small potatoes in SV, but in the great scheme of things it's still a lot.
Beard stepped down roughly a year before the "Exec salaries ballooned while user rate dropped" Cal Peterson post became a talking point. And in the grand scheme of things, executive salary was never more than a few percent of annual spending.
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#60I hope this works for them, but it seems a little bit contrived to me. If they just took a fundraising approach like how public radio and Wikipedia do, I would gladly contribute a few times per year when a big banner shows up asking for donations. That would be a nice direct value proposition -- "please contribute so we can keep this awesome resource free and high quality" But paying for customizations? This seems li…
There isn't even a way to donate. All "mozilla" donations go to the foundation and their social justice causes, not useful things like MSN and Firefox.
You can contribute directly to Thunderbird, I often wonder if it's poor performance is one of the reasons similar things aren't tried with Firefox.