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Terraform-AWS-modules/Terraform-AWS-eks transitions to non-free license

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Re: Terraform-AWS-modules/Terraform-AWS-eks transitions to non-free license

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Post by bombcar »

Stallman has discussed this years ago: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/programs-must-not-limit-freed...

The most pertinent part is:

> A condition against torture would not work, because enforcement of any free software license is done through the state. A state that wants to carry out torture will ignore the license. When victims of US torture try suing the US government, courts dismiss the cases on the grounds that their treatment is a national security secret. If a software developer tried to sue the US government for using a program for torture against the conditions of its license, that suit would be dismissed too. In general, states are clever at making legal excuses for whatever terrible things they want to do. Businesses with powerful lobbies can do it too.

Re: Terraform-AWS-modules/Terraform-AWS-eks transitions to non-free license

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Post by sciurus »

This license change appears to affect not just the EKS module, but all the modules in the terraform-aws-modules organization.

For example, here is the same change in their VPC module: https://github.com/terraform-aws-modules/terraform-aws-vpc/c...

Re: Terraform-AWS-modules/Terraform-AWS-eks transitions to non-free license

#53

Post by cies »

nigma1337 wrote: post #34
toxik wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing is non-political. You do not exist in a vacuum.

I just wanna code without thinking about the stuff happening in the world. Political stuff has its spaces, why does it have to infest everything else

Because sanctions.

Trade is obvious, but sports, visas, communication and software are also used.

I think even most trade sanction are bad, it leads to more escalation.

"When trade stops war begins" it is said.

Re: Terraform-AWS-modules/Terraform-AWS-eks transitions to non-free license

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Post by antonbabenko »

jacobr1 wrote: post #38
throw_m239339 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reasonable answer is also a political fork. The author is entitled to use whatever license they want, and the community is entitled to a fork if it doesn't violate the previous license. That's all there is to it. the author doesn't owe the community anything, and the community, as long as they respect the terms of the previous license, is free to fork the project and get rid of the new license. In general, these…

Although one thing the author does owe the community is clarity in the license. The PR in question changed the named of the license from "Apache 2.0" to "Modified Apache." If you change the terms of a well known license, like Apache or MIT or whatever, for whatever reason, you should not mislead others into thinking it is an unmodified licensed.

I have updated the wording in README - https://github.com/terraform-aws-modules/terraform-aws-eks#a... . The project was and will be under the same Apache 2 license.

Re: Terraform-AWS-modules/Terraform-AWS-eks transitions to non-free license

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Post by antonbabenko »

sciurus wrote: post #52

This license change appears to affect not just the EKS module, but all the modules in the terraform-aws-modules organization. For example, here is the same change in their VPC module: https://github.com/terraform-aws-modules/terraform-aws-vpc/c...

I have updated the wording in README - https://github.com/terraform-aws-modules/terraform-aws-vpc#a... . The project was and will be under the same Apache 2 license.

Re: Terraform-AWS-modules/Terraform-AWS-eks transitions to non-free license

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Post by seneca »

antonbabenko wrote: post #48

Hi. I am Anton Babenko, maintainer (ukrainian by heart) here. I have updated the wording in README to state the facts about Russia (facts with links to wikipedia) - https://github.com/terraform-aws-modules/terraform-aws-eks#a... It was never my intention to make changes in a license in any way. It would be just wrong to drop 5+ years of my life working on all terraform-aws-modules and betray everyone who have been pa…

I hope you and your loved ones are safe and weathering this this war of aggression as best as possible. I hope your homeland remains free and is able to oust the dictator attacking it.

I commend you for reverting the terms of use change. I also believe that this sort of remaining political statement in a project sets a poor precedent, and diminishes the work. Free software is meant to be open to all. Throwing ideological barbs in the project, however correct and riteous, undermines the project's freedom. I would urge you to reconsider.

Re: Terraform-AWS-modules/Terraform-AWS-eks transitions to non-free license

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Post by cies »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #25

I'm in favor of a license hack for humanity. The International Science Council [1] has a Committee for Freedom and Responsibility in Science that "promotes freedom for scientists to pursue knowledge and to freely exchange ideas, at the same time as advocating the responsibility of scientists to maintain scientifically defensible conclusions, and of scientific institutions to apply high standards." [2] They have publi…

> if that organization or nation is widely considered to be violating universal human rights

I can list recent violations from both US, Russia and China. So now what? The US has already said they'd prefer to invade The Hague than have a USer trialed there. You need a court to establish what's a violation and what's not. And who should provide the judges?

Re: Terraform-AWS-modules/Terraform-AWS-eks transitions to non-free license

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Post by sciurus »

antonbabenko wrote: post #48

Hi. I am Anton Babenko, maintainer (ukrainian by heart) here. I have updated the wording in README to state the facts about Russia (facts with links to wikipedia) - https://github.com/terraform-aws-modules/terraform-aws-eks#a... It was never my intention to make changes in a license in any way. It would be just wrong to drop 5+ years of my life working on all terraform-aws-modules and betray everyone who have been pa…

Hi Anton,

I see at https://github.com/terraform-aws-modules/terraform-aws-eks/c... that you have dropped the additional terms of use. I think that should alleviate the concerns people had about a license change. I appreciate you listening to your contributors and users feedback on this emotional topic.

Putin khuylo!

Re: Terraform-AWS-modules/Terraform-AWS-eks transitions to non-free license

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Post by toxik »

nigma1337 wrote: post #34
toxik wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing is non-political. You do not exist in a vacuum.

I just wanna code without thinking about the stuff happening in the world. Political stuff has its spaces, why does it have to infest everything else

You are quite literally saying "I want to exist in a vacuum", and that is just not reality.

Let's use a thought experiment. You are the neighborhood's mechanic, and you do small jobs for everybody - bikes, cars, trailers. Now, your next door neighbor has been throwing dog shit on your lawn, started kicking down your mailbox in the morning, set fire to your hedge during the night.

So you say, hey, asshole, I'm not fixing your bikes anymore. In fact, you want people to acknowledge what an asshole your neighbor is when you fix their bikes. But then, nigma1337 comes along, and says, "bikes don't have anything to do with your dispute, you should still fix his bikes, and I don't want to acknowledge anything!", and that's just absurd, man.

Re: Terraform-AWS-modules/Terraform-AWS-eks transitions to non-free license

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Post by toxik »

cies wrote: post #53
nigma1337 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just wanna code without thinking about the stuff happening in the world. Political stuff has its spaces, why does it have to infest everything else

Because sanctions. Trade is obvious, but sports, visas, communication and software are also used. I think even most trade sanction are bad, it leads to more escalation. "When trade stops war begins" it is said.

In this case, war begun and then trade was stopped.
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