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Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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herdcall wrote: post #32
phatfish wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right now it is worthless, anything on RT about the "special military operation" is 100% propaganda. It's just fun watching their presenters try to act normal.

Yes, but I'm not sure we can trust what's coming out of Ukraine/Zelensky either, like 10K Russians killed, victory is imminent, etc. This way at least we may get tidbits from the other side, including arguments/thoughts from Russia side. E.g., I saw a post yesterday on Medium that Ukraine is discriminating against black refugees ( https://medium.com/alternative-perspectives/why-are-black-pe... ). If you're only liste…

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Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by cabirum »

coffeeblack wrote: post #3

Good. It’s important to be able to see all sides. Everybody with a brain will know to be very skeptical of any news source directly controlled by a government. Same is true for CGTN and other channels still on YT.

Another source worth mentioning is waronfakes.com which counters ukrainian propaganda echoed by western msm.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

simion314 wrote: post #43
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #24

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> rules that demand to always provide both sides perspective Not sure what country you're referring to, but there's certainly no such rule in the US, Australia, or the UK. In the US it would be unconstitutional.

>Not sure what country you're referring to, but there's certainly no such rule in the US, Australia, or the UK. In the US it would be unconstitutional. So in US you can say on newspaper or TV things like "Bob did X" and Bob can do nothing about it? I thought the at least justice can demand Bob to be paid damages and the newspaper/TV to show a retraction. I mean are you free to denigrate people in US with no consequen…

In the US, there are slander and libel laws that you can be sued for if you print something that is untrue. But if you are a public figure or entity, you have to prove not just that an untruth was printed but also that it was done with "actual malice".

Which country were you referring to specifically? I don't know any that require presenting both sides of a political issue as a general rule.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by simion314 »

loudmax wrote: post #37
simion314 wrote: post #18

Quick question, most countries have laws on how media should work, like what can you put on public TV at what hours, how to mark certain content, rules that demand to always provide both sides perspective and punishments if you don't follow the rules, like removing your TV license. Did we allow this new media to just ignore our laws and publish one sided fabricated news? Maybe is finally the time to block stuff that…

> most countries have laws on how media should work Much of how the internet works reflects its origin in the United States where freedom of speech is a paramount value. In America, the notion is that it's better to combat lies with the truth than with repression. In the era of Fake News and The Big Lie, this value is being stretched thin. It may be that we'll need rules to restrict the spreading of untruths, perhaps…

At least some punishment or force them to comply with the basic rule "

If you put false/wrong information on first page like Bob did Y. then justice can force you to put on the same first page a retraction like "We are sorry, we were wrong, Bob did not did X" and pay Bob damages.

So if some TV channel or Internet media thing says shit like "Masks do not help with Covid" they will have to pay a fine and publish "Masks can help with Covid in this cases "

The issue remains with extrnal media like from China and Russia, they can refuse to follow the local laws and then we can label them, maybe tax them and use the money to support local news/media related universities.

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Post by loudmax »

herdcall wrote: post #32
phatfish wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right now it is worthless, anything on RT about the "special military operation" is 100% propaganda. It's just fun watching their presenters try to act normal.

Yes, but I'm not sure we can trust what's coming out of Ukraine/Zelensky either, like 10K Russians killed, victory is imminent, etc. This way at least we may get tidbits from the other side, including arguments/thoughts from Russia side. E.g., I saw a post yesterday on Medium that Ukraine is discriminating against black refugees ( https://medium.com/alternative-perspectives/why-are-black-pe... ). If you're only liste…

There's no question that discrimination against Ukrainian refugees of non-European origin is reprehensible. The trouble is keeping a sense of the scale of this injustice compared to the scale of the invasion. Failing to give aid to African and South Asian university students trying to flee the war is bad. Vladimir Putin's media outlets would have us believe that since there is some good and some bad on both sides, therefore we should take no side in this war.

No society or people on Earth are perfect. Don't let them convince you that this means you should never take a stand.

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Post by fer »

logicchains wrote: post #39
0xcoffee wrote: post #30

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In theory I agree with you, but it's not like silencing 'ideas and argument you disagree with' Look at this: https://www.rt.com/russia/551384-russia-ukraine-nuclear-fals... >“The SBU and the militants of the Azov Battalion are planning to blow up the reactor and accuse the Russian Armed Forces of allegedly launching a missile attack on the experimental nuclear facility,” This isn't a discussion in which people are ar…

Given that some of the Azov are literally Nazis ( https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/german-tv-s... ), that's hardly completely beyond the realms of possibility. Or we're supposed to start giving Nazis the benefit of the doubt now just because Russia started it?

Given that Russia deployed Wagner Group in Ukraine, whose founder has SS tattoos on his neck, why unsubstantiated statements from Russia are to be believed?

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

emteycz wrote: post #48
herdcall wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but I'm not sure we can trust what's coming out of Ukraine/Zelensky either, like 10K Russians killed, victory is imminent, etc. This way at least we may get tidbits from the other side, including arguments/thoughts from Russia side. E.g., I saw a post yesterday on Medium that Ukraine is discriminating against black refugees ( https://medium.com/alternative-perspectives/why-are-black-pe... ). If you're only liste…

There are individual excesses, but definitely no kind of systematic discrimination. Excesses like this happen even in Germany during peace.

what I noticed were reports against discrimination against South Asians (India was very vocal). It needs to be mentioned that India has not yet condemned Russia for the invasion and plays itself neutral. They are also the "I" in BRIC and therefore must be seen on the side of Russia until they make it perfectly clear. I'm not surprised that they aren't treated with silk-gloves by Ukraine (student or worker or whatever reason they're there for). It's India's responsibility to set the record straight so that UA knows if the people still in the country will be targeted back home for intel that can help Russia. It's reckless from the Modi government to throw them under the bus in this manner, but it's not unexpected.

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Post by friedturkey »

phatfish wrote: post #16
coffeeblack wrote: post #3

Good. It’s important to be able to see all sides. Everybody with a brain will know to be very skeptical of any news source directly controlled by a government. Same is true for CGTN and other channels still on YT.

Right now it is worthless, anything on RT about the "special military operation" is 100% propaganda. It's just fun watching their presenters try to act normal.

It’s useful to know what some people are fed and what the source of “their” opinions may be.

It’s also useful to see what overdone propaganda is like to have a solid reference point for when our own countries try to do the same.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by programmarchy »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #7
pyronik19 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'd be nice if the "journalist" at CNN had the same kind of integrity.

CNN is not a state owned propaganda machine.

Right, it’s owned by a financial elite who also have control over the state. In China and Russia, there’s a managerial class who run the state and have control over the financial elite.

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Post by lawn »

logicchains wrote: post #33
NicoJuicy wrote: post #11

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CNN is also not party owned... It may have similar views to eg. democrats, but that's not even remotely similar. Eg. They aired unedited coverages of many of the Trump campaign rallies. Show me one 'Ukraine is in war' topic in RT and Russia invaded Ukraine. Which is literally what happened. Note: Yeah, thought so.

>Show me one 'Ukraine is in war' topic in RT and Russia invaded Ukraine. Which is literally what happened. Show me one "How NATO's push eastward scared Russia into war" on CNN.

Ukraine is in fact in war, and it was not NATOs push eastward that forced Russia into war. So they're not at all the same.
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