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Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by gameswithgo »

osrec wrote: post #2

I believe the sanctions may well trigger a change in the Russian public's opinion of Putin. Right now, my Russian friends tell me that state propaganda is so strong that a significant proportion of the Russian population believe the Ukranian deaths are due to Ukranians just killing themselves. Surely at some point they'll see that what they're being told doesn't make sense. Especially if they also start to see a dete…

After seeing what about half of America was able to believe for over six years I have no confidence that people will realize things don’t make sense

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by iamacyborg »

1_player wrote: post #36
DesertBattery wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're wrong. People getting angry at West and talking about war. Including nuclear.

It seems it depends which generation we're talking about. Younger Russians seems to be the ones most connected and thus aware of what's going on abroad, while middle aged Russians are playing the ostrich and burying their head in the sand. I saw an interview yesterday of a journalist wanting to show 50-something Russian people what's going on in Ukraine, and most of them were like "I don't want to see, get that thing…

Which is unsurprising given what Russian police could do to folks recorded in this manner

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by cco »

concinds wrote: post #40
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #26

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Did the measures to stop Germany and Japan after WW2 not bring us 60 years of the most peaceful days in modern history?

> not bring us 60 years of the most peaceful days in modern history? This is a very strange historic rewriting that's popped up everywhere in the last weeks. Did the Cold War not exist? There have been wars, genocides, coups, and regime changes practically continuously, and international media has consistently reported on them. Western media just didn't highlight them because: {they didn't involve major US security i…

It's not a recent concept, Pax Americana has been talked about for a long time. The Cold War happened, but it's exactly that incredible achievement of peace during the latter half of the 20th century is astounding given the few hundred years that preceded it.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by Maakuth »

DesertBattery wrote: post #9
osrec wrote: post #2

I believe the sanctions may well trigger a change in the Russian public's opinion of Putin. Right now, my Russian friends tell me that state propaganda is so strong that a significant proportion of the Russian population believe the Ukranian deaths are due to Ukranians just killing themselves. Surely at some point they'll see that what they're being told doesn't make sense. Especially if they also start to see a dete…

You're wrong. People getting angry at West and talking about war. Including nuclear.

That is the only opinion that's safe to say in the public though, isn't it? So even if that's the only thing heard, it's not clear what the share of the public agreeing with this sentiment is. To my understanding even in Soviet days the people who never had had free media available to them still had a pretty good idea about the dependability of the information provided.

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Post by PedroBatista »

osrec wrote: post #2

I believe the sanctions may well trigger a change in the Russian public's opinion of Putin. Right now, my Russian friends tell me that state propaganda is so strong that a significant proportion of the Russian population believe the Ukranian deaths are due to Ukranians just killing themselves. Surely at some point they'll see that what they're being told doesn't make sense. Especially if they also start to see a dete…

I wouldn’t be so optimistic, the country is run by people with the exact skills needed to keep the population in an alternate reality: psyops and a brutal secret police.

Add a cultivated desire to be “great again” plus economic hardship imposed from outside and Putin can hold a tight leach as he’s been doing. That’s the first time he’s probably gambling his life, but he’s far from being defeated.

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Post by usrusr »

allisdust wrote: post #17
osrec wrote: post #2

I believe the sanctions may well trigger a change in the Russian public's opinion of Putin. Right now, my Russian friends tell me that state propaganda is so strong that a significant proportion of the Russian population believe the Ukranian deaths are due to Ukranians just killing themselves. Surely at some point they'll see that what they're being told doesn't make sense. Especially if they also start to see a dete…

Are the Chinese seeing past the propaganda? It will be the same with Russians. Putin wanted this. Now his hands are not dirty and who is going to protest the closing of internet, lack of foreign investors, lack of foreign companies when they are done by the west themselves. New companies will come from within Russia, new investment will flow eventually from either China or from within. Mission accomplished and he has…

Important difference: the average Chinese, both median and arithmetic, receives a considerable prosperity dividend from the stability bought with the oppression. The impression I get from Russia is different.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by SyzygistSix »

somebodythere wrote: post #32
ismaildonmez wrote: post #21

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It’s normal, in a war you need myths. Don’t confuse them with government propaganda.

It is propaganda. I am not sure where this notion that "in a war you need myths" comes from.

From the fact that nations that fight to the end and survive in myth live on to manifest again while those that give up the fight and surrender save lives but rarely become sovereign again.

Also in the idea of elite troops who it is hopeless to fight against. Myth is incredibly powerful in war and for the long term survival of a nation or state.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by sobkas »

can16358p wrote: post #45
dragonwriter wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Surely at some point they'll see that what they're being told doesn't make sense The crackdown on non-state media, especially if it is not exactly in line with the state propaganda message, makes it harder to do that. > Especially if they also start to see a deterioration in their quality of life... A narrative that explains and places blame elsewhere for that is fairly easy with complete control of information, es…

Yup, I add to your second point from my experience. I live in Turkey and we have a similar state propaganda (though fortunately not war). The government successfully collapsed the economy but they control the mainstream media and their supporters still blame (and truly believe in what they say) the opposition for everything bad that the government does. Controlling people's mindset is apparently easier than it seems…

> I live in Turkey and we have a similar state propaganda (though fortunately not war).

So what about Syria? Kurds are another topic you might want to look into (both inside and outside the Turkey). Azerbaijan-Armenia proxy war? It's not as easy as you think.

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Post by simonh »

JanSt wrote: post #18
DesertBattery wrote: post #9

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You're wrong. People getting angry at West and talking about war. Including nuclear.

They gonna send nukes because IKEA stopped sending Billy? I'm not sure Billy will come back that way. Let's face it: Russia is illegaly invading a foreign country that is fighting back hard. The only way I see out for Russia to save itself is by sending Putin into exile and blame it all on him. Putin hoped for weakness in the west re sanctions and weapons. They play hardball and now Putin is failing. edit: I also bel…

Russia doesn't need to save itself, it's not under any existential threat. Sanctions will hurt, but they'll live. The ordinary people will suffer worst, and the elite will have to make do without holidays in France and Italian marble counter tops, but their positions depend on maintaining the oppressive state system.

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Post by codedokode »

tryauuum wrote: post #22
saiya-jin wrote: post #10

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I don't think you understand Russian mentality. They largely gave up on democracy, freedom and lawful state long time ago. Those that really objected and were smart enough mostly went away and don't look back, since you can't fight that and survive, only join them or live in bitter poverty. There are things that might work - big celebrities like top hockey players and other sportsmen could stand up and criticize Puti…

Yes, nation-wide block of YouTube could work Right now the only change is that google disabled YouTube ads for russian users. Which would make me more eager to sit home and numb my mind with videos

Blocking Youtube is an awful idea. It is one of the sources where Russians can get information not from propaganda. If you block Youtube, they will have to turn to government-controlled sites like Vk or RuTube.
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