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Re: Advice on accessing BBC News

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Post by dataflow »

spacehunt wrote: post #48
dataflow wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wouldn't say they are noticeably worse than other media staples My brain simplifies the double-negative to "I would say they are among the best media staples", which significantly changes the tone of your comment while (as far as I can tell) retaining the meaning. If you disagree with that simplification, though, I would suggest citing noticeably better sources of news that people can turn to.

You can't simplify a double negative like that, when there's more than 1 bit of information. "They are [not] noticeably worse than others" can mean any one of the following: - They are worse, but not noticeable - They are on par with others - They are slightly better than others - They are much better than others - They are the best among others

Those all seem consistent with "among the best" to me. Otherwise you would have some outlets that are noticeably better than this one, which is precisely what is claimed to not be the case.

Re: Advice on accessing BBC News

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Post by SahAssar »

neuroma wrote: post #26
LAC-Tech wrote: post #15

I'm always a bit perplexed when people hold up the BBC as an example of a respectable, unbiased news source - a lot of their stuff is ham-fisted, and some of it is flat-out propaganda. I wouldn't say they are noticeably worse than other media staples - everything is biased - but they don't deserve to be on the pedestal they are put on.

Seriously? Nobody beyojd a few OAPs actually thinks the BBC is a font of perfect vision. It's simply a but less crassly propaganda ridden then most other sources, and more centrist (if you believe in the 1d political tribalism meme). The anti BBC narrative is largely political posturing to discredit one if the few remaining sources that aren't bought by private individuals to further their personal objectives. It's a…

OAP = Old Age Pensioner?

I never heard of that acronym before.

Re: Advice on accessing BBC News

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Post by happymellon »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #28
bhobs wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They go out of their way to try and represent both sides of a coin, to a fault. If it’s clearly raining, and they have a guest on to talk about the rain, they will also have a guest on who will try and argue “oh these precipitation levels don’t constitute rain” etc. A bit contrived but you get the idea.

That's not the case at all. They may do that for some topics but not for all. At the moment coverage of Ukraine really is "war reporting" in the classic sense, i.e, there is control and a line to follow to make sure one side is pure white and the other side pure black.

One country invaded another.

There is no other position to take.

If Putin didn't Putin then there would be no deaths. Ukraine were not planning on invading Russia.

Re: Advice on accessing BBC News

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Post by demindiro »

swinglock wrote: post #27
fulvioterzapi wrote: post #4

Interestingly, they also work for accessing RT and Sputnik from the EU that are banning them.

No, that's false. I can access rt.com from Europe normally after a "checking your browser" screen. Using the Tor browser however, rt.com blocks access after said screen.

In Belgium it is very much unreachable unless you change your DNS server. It shows the big STOP page that is otherwise used for e.g. The Pirate Bay.

Re: Advice on accessing BBC News

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Post by foreigner »

SahAssar wrote: post #52
neuroma wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously? Nobody beyojd a few OAPs actually thinks the BBC is a font of perfect vision. It's simply a but less crassly propaganda ridden then most other sources, and more centrist (if you believe in the 1d political tribalism meme). The anti BBC narrative is largely political posturing to discredit one if the few remaining sources that aren't bought by private individuals to further their personal objectives. It's a…

OAP = Old Age Pensioner? I never heard of that acronym before.

Correct. It's a common acronym in the UK.

Re: Advice on accessing BBC News

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Post by zagrebian »

> If you find it difficult to get the two applications above from AppStore or Google Play Store, please send a blank email to get@psiphon3.com or gettor@torproject.org, respectively. You will then be sent an email with a direct and safe download link.

How safe is this? I don’t know much about email security. Can the ISP intercept and edit the email message?

Re: Advice on accessing BBC News

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Post by SahAssar »

roland_nilsson wrote: post #31
fulvioterzapi wrote: post #4

Interestingly, they also work for accessing RT and Sputnik from the EU that are banning them.

From my location in Sweden, sputniknews.com is currently available but www.rt.com is not (error 403). Probably sputnik will go away as well, as the EU ban on these outlets is "expected to cover all means of distribution or transmission, including internet video sharing platforms and applications" https://techcrunch.com/2022/02/28/eu-rt-ban-extends-online/ This seems like a boneheaded move. What credibility will the E…

How are they able to return a http response without having the keys to the site? Has EU gotten a CA (digicert in this case) to issue keys for the domain, redirected DNS and setup some server to specifically return a 403? I'm guessing RT is smart enough to not use a western hosting provider and CDN.

Re: Advice on accessing BBC News

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Post by kebman »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #15

I'm always a bit perplexed when people hold up the BBC as an example of a respectable, unbiased news source - a lot of their stuff is ham-fisted, and some of it is flat-out propaganda. I wouldn't say they are noticeably worse than other media staples - everything is biased - but they don't deserve to be on the pedestal they are put on.

They're probably still high on their status during WWII. With that said, I think there's nothing wrong in offering alternative viewpoints and news sources to peoples who are being blatantly censored. I think more providers should offer this service.

Re: Advice on accessing BBC News

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Post by mytailorisrich »

happymellon wrote: post #53
mytailorisrich wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the case at all. They may do that for some topics but not for all. At the moment coverage of Ukraine really is "war reporting" in the classic sense, i.e, there is control and a line to follow to make sure one side is pure white and the other side pure black.

One country invaded another. There is no other position to take. If Putin didn't Putin then there would be no deaths. Ukraine were not planning on invading Russia.

Yes one country invaded the other and that invasion should rightly be condemned. That does not mean that one side is absolutely 'good' in everything and the other absolutely 'evil'.

A few days ago Ukrainian forces apparently shot dead an Israeli civilian at a road checkpoint because they though he was Chechen, for instance. It's been barely mentioned.

Then, sorry for bringing this up yet again, but "one country invaded another" equally applies to what the US have done many times, especially recently in Iraq (~100k-500k deaths). This does not absolve Russia but provides similar examples to show that the way global events and wars are reported depends as much on what's happening as it does on who's doing it because the bottom line is always geopolitical struggle, not 'good' and 'evil'.

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