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Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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Post by baoyu »

Too many people are missing the point of actions like this. You want to make lives of everyone in Russia more unpleasant to send the signal that a war can’t be an easy PR win. If you start a war, it should suck for your citizens, even if they are watching the news from a safe distance. If your leader starts a war, your life will become worse and you will be poorer personally. Sure, this is less effective for authoritarian countries, but is still useful.

Of course most Github users from Russia aren’t guilty, and many of them are already against the war. Good for them! But that’s not the point.

Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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Post by nickpp »

wetpaws wrote: post #16
nickpp wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one wants any harm to the Russian people, but they too must do something to stop their madman. I know it is much more dangerous for them than for us keyboard pundits, but it is their responsibility. Think how much more dangerous it is for Ukrainians.

Russia is a huge totalitarian prison and nobody can do much without being arrested or murdered.

There are ways to protest without risking arrest: walkouts and silent vigils. Nobody will arrest people simply walking on the streets in silence.

Imagine the power of rivers of people covering the Russian city streets at the same time, simply walking in silence. No signs, no screaming, no pushing against police - just walking. It would send a strong signal to the leadership with minimal danger to the protesters.

Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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Post by nickpp »

Aeolun wrote: post #35
jdthedisciple wrote: post #9

Interesting how fast people lose all compassion and sympathy, and really humanity, towards a whole population which itself might be against what it's leaders are doing ... Also: I have yet to see such suggestions directed at the US or Israeli population for the many, well-known war crimes their leaders have committed and still are.

I imagine if the whole world was using a Russian VCS site, and silicon valley was a region of moscow these same discussions would take place in reverse. Cutting off the US for their invasion of Iraq would have seemed pretty reasonable. But maybe not so much, since that country was provably ruled by a dictator, so people wouldn’t feel the same about the attack as about one made on a liberal democracy.

"Imagine if the good guys were bad and the bad guys good."

But they aren't. And you know why? Because you can't have creativity and innovations without freedom. You can't have money and success without a population where the best and most successful are allowed to create and keep a large part of the value they build.

This is why dictatorships never build Silicon Valleys while their best and brightest quietly emigrate to work and create in freedom.

Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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Post by neverminder »

mywacaday wrote: post #12
neverminder wrote: post #3

Why not cut off Russia from the internet and any form of tech really? That would send them into a free fall, wouldn't it? Some people immediately bring up China, but those who know history, know very well that China is Russia's frenemy at best. I'm just speculating here, but what if say Microsoft sent a Russia-wide update that wipes all data and kills Windows?

Further isolation, physical or technological is not the way forward. If the west wants to lead we have to bring countries like Russian and China with us and show their people there is a better way(If indeed it is better).

Because feeding China money and tech turned out so well, huh?

Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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Post by willcipriano »

ginko wrote: post #49
jdthedisciple wrote: post #9

Interesting how fast people lose all compassion and sympathy, and really humanity, towards a whole population which itself might be against what it's leaders are doing ... Also: I have yet to see such suggestions directed at the US or Israeli population for the many, well-known war crimes their leaders have committed and still are.

>Also: I have yet to see such suggestions directed at the US or Israeli population Then you can't have looked very hard because there's a plethora of boycott movements against Israel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sancti... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycotts_of_Israel_in_sports There's even a Github example: https://web.archive.org/web/20200923222519/https://github.co...

On the other hand: "Twenty-six states have adopted laws that punish companies that choose to boycott Israel."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/9/18172826/bd...

Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

#57

Post by EugeneOZ »

nickpp wrote: post #50
EugeneOZ wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, and see how you want to help them to fight against Putin - you block their access to GitHub to make them lose their jobs. Without the money - do you think they will go fight on the streets? No, they will look for other ways to feed their families. If they are isolated, they will have no other choice than start working on government. By action like this, you are just turning into enemies those who want to be on…

I totally sympathize and agree it doesn't sound fair but you will see more and more embargos and boycotts directed at Russia and Russians the more this Ukrainian murderous invasion continues...

I do not think you “sympathize”, I’m reading through your lines that you are quite enjoying it. I’m not in Russia, it will not affect me, so don't be so excited. But such hostile nationalistic behavior will be remembered, and not only by me.

You have all the reasons to hate Putin - I hate him too. But if you are saying (literally or not) that you just hate Russians - feelings will quickly become mutual.

Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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Post by EugeneOZ »

astonex wrote: post #55
EugeneOZ wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For their opinion?

For even less, for just being Ukranian.

Any proofs? Please send me a link to an article where some Ukrainians were killed by their own government forces (that’s an important point) for being Ukrainian. Or for some protest actions.

From my side, I can easily send you hundreds of links to prove that you can be jailed just for clicking the “like” button in Russia.

Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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Post by jdthedisciple »

ginko wrote: post #49
jdthedisciple wrote: post #9

Interesting how fast people lose all compassion and sympathy, and really humanity, towards a whole population which itself might be against what it's leaders are doing ... Also: I have yet to see such suggestions directed at the US or Israeli population for the many, well-known war crimes their leaders have committed and still are.

>Also: I have yet to see such suggestions directed at the US or Israeli population Then you can't have looked very hard because there's a plethora of boycott movements against Israel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sancti... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycotts_of_Israel_in_sports There's even a Github example: https://web.archive.org/web/20200923222519/https://github.co...

BDS is literally a movement by Palestinians directed at their war-enemy next door. That would be like Ukrainians boycotting Russians now. You get the point ...

Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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Post by nickpp »

EugeneOZ wrote: post #57
nickpp wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I totally sympathize and agree it doesn't sound fair but you will see more and more embargos and boycotts directed at Russia and Russians the more this Ukrainian murderous invasion continues...

I do not think you “sympathize”, I’m reading through your lines that you are quite enjoying it. I’m not in Russia, it will not affect me, so don't be so excited. But such hostile nationalistic behavior will be remembered, and not only by me. You have all the reasons to hate Putin - I hate him too. But if you are saying (literally or not) that you just hate Russians - feelings will quickly become mutual.

You are reading wrong: I am in Eastern Europe and I have Russians ancestry so hating Russians would mean hating myself.

I can't do much really and I am just wondering here how we can solve this mess...

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