I hate this trend of apple style trackpads that take up most of the real estate and keep registering false positives when you type. I have to use a macbook for work and most of the time I can use it just fine in clamshell mode connected to external keyboard/peripherals but ocassionally when I am not at my desk and have to interact directly with the laptop it's an absolutely atrocious experience due to that damn trackpad.
Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world
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Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world
#52I hate this trend of apple style trackpads that take up most of the real estate and keep registering false positives when you type. I have to use a macbook for work and most of the time I can use it just fine in clamshell mode connected to external keyboard/peripherals but ocassionally when I am not at my desk and have to interact directly with the laptop it's an absolutely atrocious experience due to that damn track…
To you maybe. I hate small trackpads. I move the arrow more than I type and palm detection works well for me, so who’s right?
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Isn't this supposed to be a strength of framework? Their machines are pretty modular. Users should get to pick and choose AMD vs Intel, keyboard layouts, wifi chipsets without framework having to design different machines for each configuration.
Keyboards and wifi are one thing (both already modular) but the CPU is integrated into the mainboard and an AMD-based board would presumably need different AMD chipsets and so on beyond simply the CPU itself. That's "modular" in the sense that the chassis is designed for swappable mainboards, but it's much more involved to support.
I remember socketed CPUs being a thing on some ThinkPad models.
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This is the problem with trying to please power users. There is no monolithic bloc of them. They all want different things. AMD vs Intel? Touchscreens? Strong opinions about screen aspect ratio and resolution, keyboard layout, touchpads, wifi chipset brand, GPU brand, etc.? All there. I wish the company luck, but they are targeting the most picky consumer market there is.
Isn't this supposed to be a strength of framework? Their machines are pretty modular. Users should get to pick and choose AMD vs Intel, keyboard layouts, wifi chipsets without framework having to design different machines for each configuration.
You can have your choice of 3 Intel CPUs, and you can bring your own NVME SSD, RAM, and wifi card. Of course the motherboard chipset determines which of those will work.
You can't change the CPU brand. Moving from Intel to AMD (or from the current Intel CPUs to a newer generation of Intel CPUs) would require an entirely different motherboard.
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I find it interesting that the mbp garnered so much attention from tech folk. Perf AVG, build eh. Ethos...terrible. yet still. Gets people in the door to buy it. Humans are wack.
> Perf AVG, build eh What kind of MBP have you looked at? I agree with the ethos part, but the current M1 devices are pretty unique in the laptop space.
What is eh about the build? It’s my first Apple device after a series of high end Windows laptops and I can’t find anything on the build that is not solid in comparison.
The only complaint I have is that sometimes the keys leave an imprint on the screen but that could just be my bag being too tight. I would definitely have this problem with a Thinkpad or high end HP anyway. Speakers are the best I’ve heard and the chasis is stiffer than my car’s. The screen is awesome…. In a thread about a framework laptop I don’t think I can find something that’s “eh”.
Unless you’re talking about it not being upgradable, but that’s not a build defect.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Keyboards and wifi are one thing (both already modular) but the CPU is integrated into the mainboard and an AMD-based board would presumably need different AMD chipsets and so on beyond simply the CPU itself. That's "modular" in the sense that the chassis is designed for swappable mainboards, but it's much more involved to support.
I remember socketed CPUs being a thing on some ThinkPad models.
I don't remember any laptop ever that could support both AMD and Intel CPUs. The chipsets are different.
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This is a point that people should remember if they're thinking about purchasing a framework. This is still very much beta hardware. The battery drain is annoying, it's around 30-50% per night depending on what addon cards you have. I've got a setup that puts it close to 40% per night so the laptop has to live on charger over night if I want to use it the next day. However, the thing that's really stopping me from us…
Yes, I'll be excited about version 2. Version 1 just has too many missed opportunities. For example, a single type-c bay could accommodate two type-A ports, or one port and one microsd reader. Wasting a whole one on a reader is dumb when most laptops just have one stuck somewhere. Give me a bay with a pop-out bluetooth mouse in it. Give me a non-chiclet keyboard and a touchpad with real buttons and a dGPU option and…
There's been discussions about dual-port expansion cards on the Framework forums[0], but the problem is finding a chip that will pass through all the things you expect USB-C to handle over both ports. This is actually a larger problem with USB-C, as each altmode is basically a different spec that reuses the same connector, with lots of negotiation and custom electrical requirements involved. So any moderately niche application will either require custom silicon or have absurd limitations.
You could obviously wire up an off-the-shelf USB3 hub controller in such a way as to get two USB3 Type-C ports in an expansion card. (I don't think two type-As would fit.) However, you won't be able to charge the laptop, use external displays, or connect external GPUs through either of the ports... which is kind of the expectation that people have with Type-C ports. If they sold such an expansion card, there would probably be plenty of people angry that they can't just have this one card for charging and dongles, and then fill their other bays with storage drives.
Related example: fiber-optic Type-C cables for long-run use basically only come in two flavors, DP and Thunderbolt. And the source device has to use that one specific altmode; there is no downgrading to USB 3 or 2.
[0] https://community.frame.work/t/dual-usb-c-expansion-card-moc...
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> Perf AVG, build eh What kind of MBP have you looked at? I agree with the ethos part, but the current M1 devices are pretty unique in the laptop space.
What is eh about the build? It’s my first Apple device after a series of high end Windows laptops and I can’t find anything on the build that is not solid in comparison. The only complaint I have is that sometimes the keys leave an imprint on the screen but that could just be my bag being too tight. I would definitely have this problem with a Thinkpad or high end HP anyway. Speakers are the best I’ve heard and the ch…
The bottom panel isn't supported well against the internal components and it makes a hollow sound, it feels like plastic even though it is metal. Compared directly to the immediately preceding 16" it feels way less solid (I have both). It's also rather ugly, I look forward to Apple spending more time figuring out how to get those features and capacity into a case that doesn't echo boxy plastic PC laptops from 15 years ago.
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#59You wanna bring it to more of the world? Try adding crypto as payment method. I know you have a political stand against using crypto (the "crypto is bad for environment" FUD spread by traditional financial players), I hope you'll get your heads out of you know where and do this to actually bring framework to the unbanked masses.
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I find it interesting that the mbp garnered so much attention from tech folk. Perf AVG, build eh. Ethos...terrible. yet still. Gets people in the door to buy it. Humans are wack.
Perf Avg? I thought the M1 was absurdly fast, no?
Opening my Emacs config on a top i9 mbp takes an average of 3–4 seconds. On an M1: <1s.