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Re: Amazon suspends Black Lives Matter from its charity platform

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Post by kelseyfrog »

joshuamorton wrote: post #38
syshum wrote: post #24

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Sorry no, democracy is not a core tenant of America... Core tenant's of America's founding where Individual rights and self governance. The Founders took great pains to LIMIT the amount of democracy in our system, because they understood the problems with democracy. The house of Representatives was the only democratically elected part of the government for a reason. We ignored them at our own peril..

> self governance. This is democracy. You cannot have self-governance without democracy. If not everyone is enfranchised, not everyone has self-governance. You can quibble about representative democracy, but it's still democracy at its core. Now yes, as the other poster mentions, many of the tenets of the founders' approach to representative democracy were intended to limit political participation by people who were…

> Thankfully, many of those policies were short-lived.

How exactly do you figure? I'm looking at women's suffrage in 1920, Reconstruction era and the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and North Carolina's property requirement removal in 1856 and I'm not sure if our ideas of short-lived are similar.

Re: Amazon suspends Black Lives Matter from its charity platform

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Post by joshuamorton »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #51
joshuamorton wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> self governance. This is democracy. You cannot have self-governance without democracy. If not everyone is enfranchised, not everyone has self-governance. You can quibble about representative democracy, but it's still democracy at its core. Now yes, as the other poster mentions, many of the tenets of the founders' approach to representative democracy were intended to limit political participation by people who were…

> Thankfully, many of those policies were short-lived. How exactly do you figure? I'm looking at women's suffrage in 1920, Reconstruction era and the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and North Carolina's property requirement removal in 1856 and I'm not sure if our ideas of short-lived are similar.

True, I actually agree with you, although I've gotten pushback before for saying that they weren't short-lived, because some places (e.g. Boston) did get rid of the property requirement only a year or two after the founding, and women could vote in NJ in 1776, but lost the ability in 1807.

So like I think its probably most precise to say that they were usually long-lived, but not universally. I'll reword my prior comment but leave this here.

Re: Amazon suspends Black Lives Matter from its charity platform

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Post by zdragnar »

DoctorOW wrote: post #15
zdragnar wrote: post #12

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I don't know of any American who claims to be a democrat without also claiming to be a Democrat; the terms are synonymous with the political party in the US.

While the literal term isn't used the way the parent describes I believe that their comment is trying to communicate "While only half of Americans describe themselves as Democrats, most Americans would say they're "an advocate or supporter of democracy" (the definition of a democrat).

Right, but when arguing semantics, then semantics matters. "democrat" as in "someone who advocates democracy" simply isn't in common usage here.

Likewise, if I said I donated to BLM, odds are good I am talking about the fund by that name, not an abstract concept of a movement that random people ephemerally belong to.

Re: Amazon suspends Black Lives Matter from its charity platform

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Post by cudgy »

HWR_14 wrote: post #45
rvz wrote: post #30

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Well, it seems this 'confusion' has tricked even the biggest companies to not only 'show support' for the movement with their now pointless banners, but also donate to the organisation which basically failed to be held accountable for the missing $60M that was spent on properties. They supported both, including the 'Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation' . So they were supporting fraudsters all this time?

Probably true when they donated money. Certainly not true when they put up posters or claimed to support things. Fraudsters cloaking themselves in the names of things is pretty common throughout hot button political issues, although sometimes it's fraud and sometimes it's unintentionally mismanaging money. I mean, the trucker thing in Canada raised millions of dollars, and while some of it has not been transferred be…

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Re: Amazon suspends Black Lives Matter from its charity platform

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Post by tentacleuno »

So, I figure I may as well ask what blacklivesmatter.com[0] is? I was wondering if that website was anything to do with this scam organisation, but came away even more confused. They don't have a mailing address, any organisation (e.g. Black Lives Matter Foundation) naming / references on the website, or... anything, really.

Where does the money go from this website? Does it go to a grassroots organisation, or are these another group of bandits?

I would be curious to know more.

[0]: https://blacklivesmatter.com/

Re: Amazon suspends Black Lives Matter from its charity platform

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Post by rvz »

dragonwriter wrote: post #48
rvz wrote: post #30

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Well, it seems this 'confusion' has tricked even the biggest companies to not only 'show support' for the movement with their now pointless banners, but also donate to the organisation which basically failed to be held accountable for the missing $60M that was spent on properties. They supported both, including the 'Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation' . So they were supporting fraudsters all this time?

> the missing $60M that was spent on properties It’s not missing, it's the money they reportedly had on hand at last account. (And if anyone knew it had been spent on properties, it still wouldn't be missing.)

> it's the money they reportedly had on hand at last account.

Exactly. Everyone knows that the 'missing' $60M didn't go to their own causes, but was spent on themselves (and everything else unrelated to BLM), just like what fraudsters would do. They were successful at manipulating the emotions of their supporters and executed a magnificent scam that even tricked the largest of companies.

So we are still defending fraudsters?

Re: Amazon suspends Black Lives Matter from its charity platform

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Post by cudgy »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #29
TheodolphusRose wrote: post #20

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That's a different and completely unrelated [1] organization that happens to have a similar name (Black Lives Matter Foundation vs Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation). [1] https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/black-lives-mat...

Yeah, it seems here that people are just getting confused about which organization is actually in charge due to two different organizations registering very similar names. I wonder if they trademarked the brand Black Lives Matter, and if so if they attempted to enforce it to prevent something like this from happening, or if they are in fact affiliated with each other.

Maybe there should be a BLM ETF with all the organizations in one bucket? Then you can spread out your risk in case one of them actually intends to be legitimate. Excuse the sarcasm.

Corporations are more concerned about the signal donating money sends than the actual effectiveness of the receiving organization. Did Amazon independently donate any money to this organization?

Re: Amazon suspends Black Lives Matter from its charity platform

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Post by [deleted] »

alpha_squared wrote: post #23

Important to note that this is the BLM Global Network Foundation (BLMGNF), which is not the same as the grassroots, decentralized BLM movement that happened nationally. If I recall correctly, BLMGNF was formed by a couple folks in Los Angeles to give a formal organization the authority and organizational weight of what the BLM movement was about. The BLM movement, being decentralized and leaderless at the national le…

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Re: Amazon suspends Black Lives Matter from its charity platform

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Post by dragonwriter »

rvz wrote: post #56
dragonwriter wrote: post #48

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> the missing $60M that was spent on properties It’s not missing, it's the money they reportedly had on hand at last account. (And if anyone knew it had been spent on properties, it still wouldn't be missing.)

> it's the money they reportedly had on hand at last account. Exactly. Everyone knows that the 'missing' $60M didn't go to their own causes, but was spent on themselves (and everything else unrelated to BLM), just like what fraudsters would do. They were successful at manipulating the emotions of their supporters and executed a magnificent scam that even tricked the largest of companies. So we are still defending fra…

> Everyone knows that the 'missing' $60M didn't go to their own causes, but was spent

No, they don't, that's rather the basis of the (still inaccurate) characterization of it being missing.

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