This is why you use, at the very least, a version of the GPL. But he used Apache. So he basically did Microsofts job for them for free.
The Day AppGet Died (2020)
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What? You have all the power. You send an email and then stop buying their services. 'To whom it concerns, you guys are shitty so I'm cancelling services.'
Sure, just delete your iCloud account, Microsoft account, Amazon account, Netflix account and Google account. It's so easy that anyone could do it!
It really is that easy.
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#53> the outcome of the meeting as far as I understood it was, what can Microsoft do to help?
Here's the problem. That's sales talk. If you're not buying, either give your sales pitch or quote them for consulting.
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#54I've read this several times before, and every time I do it hurts just as much. Every time I read of another person who built something useful, so much so that it gets recognised by big-corp X, and being called in by Google or Microsoft, promised the recognition (and pay) they deserve, then having the rug pulled at light-speed from under them, I take it personally. I'm amazed, every time I read "The Day AppGet Died"…
Well. Cold reality is that even 5-year old kids know what sort of company MSFT is and what sort of people work for them. He acted like an useful fool, got treated like one. I even smirked a bit at his misery, even though I am normally not that kind of person. Had he instead reacted to the phone call with some extremely aggressive licensing, maybe even a software patent, now he would be discussing the terms of the out…
> Cold reality is that even 5-year old kids know what sort of company MSFT is and what sort of people work for them.
Mate, 80% of college students don't know that.
Source: Work at a computer repair shop and see shocked faces.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well. Cold reality is that even 5-year old kids know what sort of company MSFT is and what sort of people work for them. He acted like an useful fool, got treated like one. I even smirked a bit at his misery, even though I am normally not that kind of person. Had he instead reacted to the phone call with some extremely aggressive licensing, maybe even a software patent, now he would be discussing the terms of the out…
Yes, that's an important takeaway, but > I even smirked a bit at his misery smirking at someone for getting rolled is low.
>smirking at someone for getting rolled is low.
Is it still low when it is self-inflicted? That old fable with the finisher at the end about 'you knew me for what I was when you picked me up' comes to mind. This ending was clear from the beginning.
Microsoft is the same company who licensed Mosaic from Spyglass with the promise of a quarterly fee plus royalties and then released their version of the browser as Internet Explorer for free resulting in no royalties. Never mind the history of companies who got in bed with Microsoft and never quite recovered afterwards. Or the history of blatant ripoffs. DoubleSpace anyone?
Anyone choosing to get in bed with Microsoft at this point gets what they deserve. There was a reason why they were literally paying companies to write apps for Windows Phone.
Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
What? You have all the power. You send an email and then stop buying their services. 'To whom it concerns, you guys are shitty so I'm cancelling services.'
Sure, just delete your iCloud account, Microsoft account, Amazon account, Netflix account and Google account. It's so easy that anyone could do it!
iCloud - you don't really need an alternative.
Microsoft - You have many alternatives to Microsoft software. Linux, Libre Office, Java, Python, IntelliJ, ... pick one, or more.
Amazon - there are so many other stores. And cloud providers if you are into that.
Netflix - just another streaming service. You can decide how to consume media in many different ways.
Google - Mail you can host anywhere, it's not like Gmail is special. Online productivity suites are not that rare as once. If you insist on Youtube you can use it without an account, Android with fake account.
If you find yourself you can't switch, you are into much bigger trouble. It's ok to be burned once, but next time you start you new SaaS startup, think twice do you want to depend on specific company for all your needs.
Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)
#57It's kind of sad but it looks like Kevin hasn't posted anything since this. I hope this experience didn't break him.
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#58I dunno, getting inspired and copying all the ideas, deciding that they can do a good enough job internally instead of hiring Keivan doesn’t sound like a bad thing in and of itself. It’s the stringing along that makes my blood boil. After reading things like this, I’m thinking, what I’d do differently? Maybe have them reimburse all my travel upfront. No money, no meetings. Also, bill all the meetings and conversation…
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#59was there some way to have prevented or mitigated this?
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Just because they’re singing sweet songs now doesn’t mean they’re fundamentally different. Frankly I think it's only because Google, Facebook, et al. invented new kinds of evil too fast for Microsoft to keep up that they seemed warm and fuzzy at all. They're still the company that force-upgraded users to Windows 10, and they're still the company that's requiring you to have a Microsoft account for future versions of…
Well in my book the order is still something like Google About Windows 11: I switched my home desktop PC to Linux when I upgraded it early last year. I still have Windows 8 lying around mostly unused on a partition, but since it's a 32 bit version I would have to do a complete reinstall, and most of the software I'm using (including most games, thanks to Steam) runs just fine on Linux, so I haven't worked up the moti…
> Well in my book the order is still something like Google I find this an interesting order to think about. Amazon has directly lead to fatalities and ( I would describe as ) an abusive work environment, but Facebook I would say has done more harm on a larger "societal shift" scale.
I suppose just looking at direct consequences of actions, I agree with your assessment - Amazon knowingly builds itself of labor abuse, and Facebook can at least lie to themselves.