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New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by asdfgasdfgasdgf »

Maximus9000 wrote: post #25
alistairSH wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But loud pipes save lives! /s We have a similar problem. Replace "motorcycle" with "bro-dozer" and make it 4am. Noise sucks. And since the pandemic lockdowns have lifted, it's even more abrasive. Those few months of relative quiet were marvelous. Where I live, it's a lot of tire noise from a highway over a mile away - just a constant background "brrrrrr" that I didn't notice before and can't ignore today.

> But loud pipes save lives! /s Bikers actually say that with a straight face. It drives me bonkers. If I look at any list on the internet about top 10 ways to stay safe on a motorcycle, none of those lists will include "loud pipes". Yet, those same bikers will ignore other items on those safety lists like wearing brightly colored high visibility jacket/vest.

Next time you are in a car driving next to a Harley, listen to it. It will be quiet even at a stoplight and inaudible at speed.

The road is a noisy place. Cars are soundproofed to deal with that. A loud engine antagonizes everyone not driving but drivers won't even hear it.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by drsnow »

humanistbot wrote: post #18

On the one hand, I think red light cameras and automated speed traps are unconstitutional and there have been shady companies caught fixing them. I hate the idea of putting super sensitive microphones in public spaces and connecting them directly to police departments. But on the other hand, fuck loud cars and motorcycles, they are a menace to society, and they are the only thing that makes my blood boil, when they w…

how are they unconstitutional?

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by NikolaNovak »

ilamont wrote: post #45
NikolaNovak wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Statistically, confronting a Harley rider who guns their bike in their neighbourhood at 3 am, tends to have a negative return on investment. Given the ops description as "they also shot another neighbour's cat", I feel it likely they will fall well within the normal bell curve. I agree in general that approaching your neighbours first is the theoretically right thing to do before escalating. That works out well far f…

Not a car. He shot a cat . In our neighborhood, there is a family in the same vein whose kid insisted on honking the horn whenever he rounded a corner, no matter what time of day or night. Nice requests via email by the two nearest homeowners did nothing. Showing up at his house after one of the incidents antagonized the father. The only thing that got the kid to stop was exposing him (describing the car, which is un…

>>Not a car. He shot a cat.

Well... that's still kinda bad, I think...?

:)

Corrected the typo, thx!

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by et-al »

collegeburner wrote: post #29
antisthenes wrote: post #14

Can we start using something like this with light meters to ticket obnoxious LED beams that have not been properly retrofitted into older cars? It's extremely obvious which cars these are when you're driving at night. That these people are endangering dozens of other cars on the road is lunacy.

Honestly. Loud motorcycles is annoying but the LED shit is actually dangerous. If theres 1 coming the otherway I legit can't see the road in front of me until its passed. Im kind of considering getting some though, because its kinda a positional arms race about "who can have the brightest lights to see the best at everybody else's expense". Its mean but I don't wanna be the guy who gets fucked over and blinded then f…

So this doesn't solve all the shoddy DIY HID mods out there, but adaptive headlights are finally coming to the States: https://www.autonews.com/regulation-safety/nhtsa-finalizes-r...

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by UnpossibleJim »

What assurances are there that cameras with microphones won't be turned into devices of mass surveillance of the population at large? It isn't exactly out of the realm of New York's track record, given their propensity towards "Stop and Frisk".

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by brigade »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #6
jmpman wrote: post #2

Good. I look forward to this enforcement in my city. I currently live against a major road. During the night, the traffic noise isn’t disturbing, except for about one vehicle in a thousand. And that motorcycle wakes me at 3am. For weeks on end. My neighbor’s kid’s motorcycle. On his way to work at 3am, has to gun it when turning out of the neighborhood, waking everyone. These are neighbors who had shot their next doo…

they killed a neighbor's pet, but were they punished by the law? that's insane. and it also should significantly lower the threshold to having them in trouble as assholes again.

It's pretty typical for cops not to bother to pursue animal cruelty charges, especially if it's "just" a neighbor's pet. Then if there's any potential "defense", like the pet entering their property, it's basically guaranteed it won't be pursued unless the victim has cop connections.

They could be sued civilly, but the damages you'd win are basically the cost of a replacement pet, so super insulting.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by e40 »

udfalkso wrote: post #4

One egregiously loud motorcycle rolling through manhattan can be a nuisance to literally millions of people. This is unreasonable and a ticketing system like this makes a ton of sense. Police enforcement could probably solve the issue just as effectively. Cops ignore loud honking and loud cars when its right in front of them. If they would just stop ignoring such things the frequency would surely go down as well.

There's a freeway about a mile from my house. Summer nights with the windows open, I can easily be awakened by a very loud motorcycle. The freeway is raised and I'm in a sort of canyon (no line of sight to freeway, though!!). Maybe the acoustics are just perfect for my bedroom, but I doubt it's just me. There are probably a million people within earshot of this noise.

Lest people think I'm a motorcycle hater: I owned one for years. I had a stock and quiet muffler on it, though.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by bandris »

globular-toast wrote: post #27
shmageggy wrote: post #16

Great news, and I hope this catches on elsewhere. Our acoustic environment is a commons, and a particularly fragile one at that. Quiet surroundings are a boon to health and happiness, a fact that is not only immediately obvious to anyone with ears and a nervous system but also proven by scientific studies. However it can be destroyed so easily by one a-hole to the detriment of all. It's about time we start protecting…

Apparently it's happening in Paris too: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/15/noise-radar-in...

and in London since 2020: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54452835

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by et-al »

fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #43
et-al wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately we won't even allow speed enforcement cameras, so this seems unlikely. https://cal.streetsblog.org/2021/05/21/california-wont-be-ge...

I wouldn’t be so sure. The interest group of speeders may be much larger than the interest group of loud pipes.

You're right. It's not perfect, but it's a step in the right direction.
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