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My smart home 2021: A Home Assistant love story

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Re: My smart home 2021: A Home Assistant love story

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May be my day job of handling servers and services at scale makes me say this…

I’d like my home, appliances and equipment to be dumb and simple. A basic level of automation by making all power switches controllable from a central private endpoint would be nice, but hooking that up to a non self-hosted service is a big No for me.

I’m about to buy a home. It will be fun to find that simplicity in automation for myself.

Re: My smart home 2021: A Home Assistant love story

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When you sell a house like this... what do you leave behind and what do you take? This has increasingly been on my mind. I've no desire to sell soon, but there's a Nest doorbell that is wired in, so it stays. A Nest thermostat, which I could remove but when I got the boiler I chose to not have the control panel extra with timer as I knew I had Nest. Then the lighting, the motion sensors... should I take the few thous…

I didn't have a "full" setup, just a Nest and a few rooms on Hue; I ended up leaving it all behind— the realtor actually had the Nest right on the listing like it was a major selling point, and our new place had an older boiler anyway, so it wasn't clear it would be a good fit.

It was fairly easy to just factory reset everything and walk away, but yeah if there was an actual PC/RPi and a user-managed software stack in the picture, I could picture it being a real headache to sort out.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I opted for Shelly on my house build. The dimmers keep dimming and everything works regularly without a hub/HA/Wifi. Leaving the modules inside the light switches. No need for special bulbs and having switches with springs allows any light to be dimmed as long as the fixture/bulb supports it.

There's room for a future product to discover everything within a house. Find all the Shelly devices, figure out which bulbs are Hue, discover any small sensors left behind, etc.

It'll be easy to find the Shellys. Just look for light switches that don't cause the light to turn on or off, or lights that turn on randomly. We put a Shelly 2 on every light switch in our new build 2 years ago (about 30 Shellys) and over 50% of them have already failed.

Usually its either the relay refusing to switch on or off. Or its able to switch on and off via the app, but not via a light switch that it was happily doing the day before. Or it disappears off the WiFi and refuses to connect no matter how many resets / power cycles are done.

After replacing 10 or so of them, I decided it was easier to rip them all out.

Re: My smart home 2021: A Home Assistant love story

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post #23

When you sell a house like this... what do you leave behind and what do you take? This has increasingly been on my mind. I've no desire to sell soon, but there's a Nest doorbell that is wired in, so it stays. A Nest thermostat, which I could remove but when I got the boiler I chose to not have the control panel extra with timer as I knew I had Nest. Then the lighting, the motion sensors... should I take the few thous…

you wouldn't be required to perform KT. in Texas anything attached stays so even lightbulbs but you can also exclude anything explicitly.

Sure, but you might just throw in cheap bulbs before you show it. Depends if you move out first.

If I ever sold this place, I would move out most of my ha and automation stuff first.

Even a generic hot cold thermostat is pretty cheap and easy to put in.

Would probably leave recessed touch screens though.

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Home Assistant is great, but it will face huge hurdles as the founder tries to cash in on the popularity. It's already underway. 1) Nabu Casa was founded with a claim that "it will all be transparent and reported" as to income, etc, etc. 2) Then the "private" components happened only for Nabu Casa - like the cloud connection stuff. 3) A few years later when pointed out nothing was transparent yet the response was "We…

Hello, I’m the original creator of the Home Assistant iOS Companion App. Just wanted to clear up that Nabu Casa took over the iOS and Android apps purely because of requirements by Apple and Google around a corporation being the only entity that can have a development team. At no time did Nabu Casa pay any money to me or anyone else to acquire the apps. They were transferred to Nabu Casa purely for convenience, since…

Do I understand correctly that you just gave the iOS app out of your hands, for Nabu Casa to maintain? Or is it solely a legal structure?

I find it interesting if it were the former, I personally would have considered monetizing it myself, but then again, it’s probably not a coincidence I haven’t founded any opensource projects as impactful as Home Assistant. :)

Re: My smart home 2021: A Home Assistant love story

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post #23

When you sell a house like this... what do you leave behind and what do you take? This has increasingly been on my mind. I've no desire to sell soon, but there's a Nest doorbell that is wired in, so it stays. A Nest thermostat, which I could remove but when I got the boiler I chose to not have the control panel extra with timer as I knew I had Nest. Then the lighting, the motion sensors... should I take the few thous…

I just did this, and it's... fun. Particularly account transfers--most devices that are tied to internet accounts (like Nest) don't allow you to transfer them to other accounts. So hard-resetting them is often the only option, which is often a time consuming process in itself (I'm looking at you Insteon) and throws away the configuration. I didn't even attempt to leave the HomeAssistant-based stuff in place.

So for stuff that's not trivial to remove just set up new accounts i.e. 123ExampleRd@gmail.com, tie everything to that e-mail and then just hand over the passwords when you move. Preferably do this when you move in, It also solves the issue of providers with no means to share accounts or devices that tie to google/other auth, this way you share the password with everyone who lives with you without giving out any personal credentials.

Not to mention the convenience of having the ability to have e-mails sent to whoever happens to be resident at that property and keep a history that can be transferred. I.e. maintenance invoices, remodel invoices, appliance receipts. Then when you sell the house the new owner will get all that info.

Re: My smart home 2021: A Home Assistant love story

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post #23

When you sell a house like this... what do you leave behind and what do you take? This has increasingly been on my mind. I've no desire to sell soon, but there's a Nest doorbell that is wired in, so it stays. A Nest thermostat, which I could remove but when I got the boiler I chose to not have the control panel extra with timer as I knew I had Nest. Then the lighting, the motion sensors... should I take the few thous…

I believe there are laws (the legal term being "fixture," for things permanently attached to a home) about what can be taken unless it's explicitly included in a contract. The sale contract will probably say that fixtures are included, and if you are not selling certain things, those will need to be specified. And from some brief reading, you may need to be careful earlier in the process as well to avoid false advertisement in the listings.

Re: My smart home 2021: A Home Assistant love story

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May be my day job of handling servers and services at scale makes me say this… I’d like my home, appliances and equipment to be dumb and simple. A basic level of automation by making all power switches controllable from a central private endpoint would be nice, but hooking that up to a non self-hosted service is a big No for me. I’m about to buy a home. It will be fun to find that simplicity in automation for myself.

> making all power switches controllable from a central private endpoint would be nice

This is what Zigbee and Z-Wave are for, and I would say one one of the main points of using home assistant: to keep it all local. The Nabu Casa stuff just allows you to access your required local home assistant setup (RPi, VM, whatever) without having to mess with DMZ to allow direct connections. Self hosted in the whole point of it all.

If you buy smart devices that require cloud connections, then home assistant can also work with many of those, but it ends up being a much worse experience when turning your lightbulb on requires sending an http request halfway around the world and back.

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post #23

When you sell a house like this... what do you leave behind and what do you take? This has increasingly been on my mind. I've no desire to sell soon, but there's a Nest doorbell that is wired in, so it stays. A Nest thermostat, which I could remove but when I got the boiler I chose to not have the control panel extra with timer as I knew I had Nest. Then the lighting, the motion sensors... should I take the few thous…

Kinda related but I've always imagined selling a house and leaving behind a "readme" with the latest state of things. I know inspections cover many things, but it'd be nice to have something from the previous owner talking about how specific things work.

Re: My smart home 2021: A Home Assistant love story

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hello, I’m the original creator of the Home Assistant iOS Companion App. Just wanted to clear up that Nabu Casa took over the iOS and Android apps purely because of requirements by Apple and Google around a corporation being the only entity that can have a development team. At no time did Nabu Casa pay any money to me or anyone else to acquire the apps. They were transferred to Nabu Casa purely for convenience, since…

Do I understand correctly that you just gave the iOS app out of your hands, for Nabu Casa to maintain? Or is it solely a legal structure? I find it interesting if it were the former, I personally would have considered monetizing it myself, but then again, it’s probably not a coincidence I haven’t founded any opensource projects as impactful as Home Assistant. :)

Nabu Casa doesn't maintain it, the community does. I personally haven't worked on it in a while now because I've been consumed with my new company but it is still being very actively developed. I still have full access to the source code and developer account and such and am a resource to whoever needs my input as time permits.
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