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Misinformation is just due to people and organizations attempting to act optimally. If you don't embrace it, you'll be crushed by those who have.
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I dunno about that. Thought experiment: The Earth is a flat disc. Is this misinformation, wrongthink, or both? To be sure it's a vague term applied quite continuously online but simply deflecting it as actually meaning "wrongthink" is disingenuous. There's a lot of misinformation being spread specifically about objective measurable facts. It is simultaneously true that a lot of opinions are being mislabeled as misinf…
> The Earth is a flat disc. > Is this misinformation, wrongthink, or both? You missed the fourth option: it's neither. No-one would call it misinformation or wrongthink; rather it's false, or a lie if you're feeling judgemental. I think the person you replied to has made a good point.
Most people will not have the experience to discern things like p-hacking and massaged numbers. Having experts call these things out as misinformation seems quite useful to me.
I've also noticed that the term "willful ignorance" gets thrown around a lot more nowadays. There is a sizeable contingent of people who are so convinced that what they believe is the absolute truth that any disagreement or critique must therefore be out of malice rather than genuine disagreement.
Most peoples' conclusions are based on some kind of logical deduction. Where people differ is the fundamental "beliefs" which are treated axiomatically (taken on faith) on which the logical superstructure is built. Edit: people also assign different "comparative value" to different things. Most value judgements involve comparing apples and oranges, but one person might have a preference for oranges and someone else m…
The author is correct that in any debate, the prominent skeptics are often extremely well informed (joe Rogan on vaccines, in his example). I think what the author is missing is that Joe Rogan and the likes are not spreading misinformation, but spreading tools for misinformation. My mother in law is very deep in misinformation. I’m not talking simple anti vax, I’m talking “trump will raid the Vatican for stolen gold…
This is likely the big causal factor here. Your MIL is definitely not typical. The notion that conspiracy nuts are specifically being influenced by "skeptic talking points" and not by simply being generically nutty, anti-intellectual and anti-science, is kinda hard to take seriously.
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I am not sure, english is not my mother tongue so I might have written something in a non-understandable way, if there's something that I might have written better let me know if you want. As for wokes -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke
OK, thank you for clarifying. So "wokes" are people who are 'alert to racial prejudice and discrimination'. > newspaper should not report things that are happening but are wrong for wokes, they should only report things that they like, even if what they don't like happened and makes news So what have "wokes" got to do with anything? They are just people who aren't racist, right? Again, maybe I have misunderstood.
I've also noticed that the term "willful ignorance" gets thrown around a lot more nowadays. There is a sizeable contingent of people who are so convinced that what they believe is the absolute truth that any disagreement or critique must therefore be out of malice rather than genuine disagreement.
Most peoples' conclusions are based on some kind of logical deduction. Where people differ is the fundamental "beliefs" which are treated axiomatically (taken on faith) on which the logical superstructure is built. Edit: people also assign different "comparative value" to different things. Most value judgements involve comparing apples and oranges, but one person might have a preference for oranges and someone else m…
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OK, thank you for clarifying. So "wokes" are people who are 'alert to racial prejudice and discrimination'. > newspaper should not report things that are happening but are wrong for wokes, they should only report things that they like, even if what they don't like happened and makes news So what have "wokes" got to do with anything? They are just people who aren't racist, right? Again, maybe I have misunderstood.
Yeah that was the starting point of the culture, and I think it's a start in order to get more documented about what they've grown into and how, so yeah they're those against racism and the likes but are also those who went against newspapers reporting news that they didn't like as written in my post
And, perhaps to clarify further, do you consider yourself woke, or anti-woke?
The author is correct that in any debate, the prominent skeptics are often extremely well informed (joe Rogan on vaccines, in his example). I think what the author is missing is that Joe Rogan and the likes are not spreading misinformation, but spreading tools for misinformation. My mother in law is very deep in misinformation. I’m not talking simple anti vax, I’m talking “trump will raid the Vatican for stolen gold…
I don't think that's right.
Sure this modern media allows faster spread of information, including manipulative information but that's mostly it.
In my experience (i.e. people in my environment) many people had such believes long before Facebook or Whatsapp became widespread in their social circle.
The difference was that it often wasn't noticed as much until they felt threatened in their way of live, e.g. because of pandemic relateed measurements. Or their conspiracies affected you or made you personally angry/offended.
Many of this movements often had been ignored by the government as "just a few crazy people" for years even when it wasn't just a few people anymore (e.g. Reichsbürger).
Some (anti-vaxer, conspiracy theorist against modern medicine) have even gotten support from major political parties for years (e.g. green party).
And sure people radicalized a lot with the pandemic, because they felt threatened and insecure.
But the German government and public media _majorly_ made that worse due to incompetence especially around media competence.
The problem was less the measurements taken but how they where communicated.
And how assumptions which layer turned out to be not sure right where often converted as scientific fact.
This created a perfect ground for evil manipulative people to push people further down in the wrong direction.
And from what I can tell I'm 100% sure there are some (multiple, distinct) highly intelligent and skilled people spreading and pushing some of this misinformation for whatever reason.
Worse when the public media saw this problem instead of reacting with honest open communication they decided they needed to be even more manipulative to protect society.
Problem: That doesn't work if it does the manipulator to convince more people by pointing out the manipulation, then through manipulation on their site make it look worse and use the human fallacy of thinking in "black and white" (1) to increase the believe in conspiracy theories of their victims (2).
(2): expect that it's more like catch many propaganda then one to one manipulation
(1): it should be obvious but in this context this has nothing to do with skin color.
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Yeah that was the starting point of the culture, and I think it's a start in order to get more documented about what they've grown into and how, so yeah they're those against racism and the likes but are also those who went against newspapers reporting news that they didn't like as written in my post
OK, I'm still a little unclear - can you give me a concrete example of a such a news story? And, perhaps to clarify further, do you consider yourself woke, or anti-woke?