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Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Shameful that a peaceful protest is met with this response. How can a person protest meaningfully if any peaceful protest can be called illegal? I do understand that the truckers were disturbing the peace of ordinary people - I think this should be discouraged. However there must be a way to peacefully assemble without the government's approval. I don't see how we can have meaningful civil discourse if you need permi…

Protesters are still allowed to protest peacefully, they just aren't allowed to occupy the area around parliament and shut down border crossings for weeks, and intimidate and enact violence against the citizens of Ottawa. Nobody is stopping anyone from peacefully protesting in Canada, give your head a shake.

That's right. Only the government is allowed to shut everything down and put people out of work.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Canadian_pipeline_and_rai... "Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said politicians should not be telling the police how to deal with protesters and that resolution should come through dialogue" Millions of dollars in damage by these protestors (railway above). Protests for me, but not for thee. Vaguely remember stuff like: "Your right to freedom of speech stops where it harms others" (hat…

> sadly the Canadian government can override its Bill of Rights whenever they please under temporary 3 year Emergency Measures.

…and then face elections with this track record, hence why this is the first time this bill has been invoked in 50 years.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Under the Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) and Terrorist Financing Act. Which specific regulatory laws would you expect them to be handled under?

Protesting is only a crime in authoritarian states. Canadians have the right to assembly and expression explicitly stated in the charter of rights.

Correct, but the protestors aren't being charged with protesting.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.

That is an exaggerated headline. Accounts being used to fund illegal activities can be frozen. Protesting is not and will not be illegal. Blocking critical infrastructure is illegal.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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post #28

Shameful that a peaceful protest is met with this response. How can a person protest meaningfully if any peaceful protest can be called illegal? I do understand that the truckers were disturbing the peace of ordinary people - I think this should be discouraged. However there must be a way to peacefully assemble without the government's approval. I don't see how we can have meaningful civil discourse if you need permi…

I live in Ottawa and I assure you that this protest is not peaceful. I've had friends physically assaulted, spit on, and yelled at just for wearing a mask into a business. Not to mention the constant honking that was reaching levels above 100db inside people's homes. Homeless shelters were raided by protestors, businesses have been forced to close due to threats, and people are afraid to leave their homes.

I and my friends have been there for 3 weekends and haven't seen any of that.

> Homeless shelters were raided by protestors, businesses have been forced to close due to threats, and people are afraid to leave their homes.

This is hilariously inaccurate. Everyone's bringing food TO the truckers and there's so much food there that truckers are refusing to take more.

Amazingly, we live in 2022 where everyone has a phone camera and Ottawa, the capital, has security cameras everywhere and yet none of this ever gets captured on camera and nobody seems to capture the face of the people supposedly doing such things.

Here's one actual violence which did get captured on video:

https://twitter.com/TheMarieOakes/status/1493053006237122562

And there's another video of someone with a mask on who drove his jeep over 3 protestors in Manitoba.

There are plenty of livestreams on YouTube (Viva Frei channel for example) which have been capturing everything.

Honking might be the only thing which could constitute as annoying but that hasn't happened for over a week.

Here's reporting by a government employee who lives right above the protest:

https://maybury.ca/the-reformed-physicist/2022/02/03/a-night...

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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This is definately going to back fire on him and his administration. There weren't any major incidence of violence or rioting. They got the bridge cleared. He should've left it at that and let it fizzle out.

There have been multiple incidents of protesters using large vehicles to smash through police barricades. What do you call that?

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

#57

Shameful that a peaceful protest is met with this response. How can a person protest meaningfully if any peaceful protest can be called illegal? I do understand that the truckers were disturbing the peace of ordinary people - I think this should be discouraged. However there must be a way to peacefully assemble without the government's approval. I don't see how we can have meaningful civil discourse if you need permi…

Protesters are still allowed to protest peacefully, they just aren't allowed to occupy the area around parliament and shut down border crossings for weeks, and intimidate and enact violence against the citizens of Ottawa. Nobody is stopping anyone from peacefully protesting in Canada, give your head a shake.

But it seems that every time the "unpermitted location" changes with every protest! In this case, it's "the area around parliament" and "border crossings" - in Quebec it was "this particular road" or "these schools" during their "Red Square" tuition protests.

In my opinion, Parliament is almost always a valid place to protest - outside a politician's or ordinary person's private home, much less so.

By invoking these emergency powers, I think it's hard to dispute that the Prime Minister's Office is stopping a peaceful protest!

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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While I still think this is not the ideal move and am in general skeptical of government claims that their invoking martial law-ish privileged comes with self control, I feel there is some nuance missing in the comments so far, particularly that this is not calling in the military and as of now not limiting "authorized protests" according to TFA, but about strengthening the executives ability to enforce the laws that are being civil disobedienced. I'm personally not a fan of law-and-order rhetoric or politics, but if you are, I feel like you should be in favour of this - and think about supporting civil right and increasing checks on the executive and judicative after Trudeau's tenure as well.

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Trudeau will not be calling in the military, he said.(...)

The move will “supplement provincial and territorial capacity to address the blockades,” Trudeau said, and will afford more powers to local police forces.(...) The police will be given more tools to restore order in places where public assemblies can constitute illegal and dangerous activities, such as blockades and occupations as seen in Ottawa, the Ambassador Bridge and elsewhere. These tools include strengthening their ability to impose fines or imprisonment,” he said. (...) The measures will be “time-limited, geographically targeted as well as reasonable and proportionate to the threats they are meant to address,” he said. “The Emergencies Act will be used to strengthen and support law enforcement agencies at all levels across the country. This is about keeping Canadians safe, protecting people’s jobs and restoring confidence in our institutions.”

Trudeau said the move could be used to render “essential services” such as contracting trucks to tow vehicles blocking streets.(..)

Financial institutions will be “authorized or directed to take measures, including regulating and prohibiting the use of property to fund or support illegal blockades,” Trudeau said. (...) The act will also enable the RCMP to enforce municipal bylaws and provincial offences, Trudeau said. (..) Trudeau said he wanted to be “equally clear” about what the act does not entail, and said he would not be calling in the Canadian Forces.(..)

“We’re not suspending the fundamental rights or overriding the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, we are not limiting people’s freedom of speech, we are not limiting freedom of peaceful assembly (or) preventing people from exercising their right to protest legally,” Trudeau said.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

#59

Shameful that a peaceful protest is met with this response. How can a person protest meaningfully if any peaceful protest can be called illegal? I do understand that the truckers were disturbing the peace of ordinary people - I think this should be discouraged. However there must be a way to peacefully assemble without the government's approval. I don't see how we can have meaningful civil discourse if you need permi…

I along with my friends (who are vaxxed but only did so because their work coerced them) have been at the protest in Ottawa for 3 weekends. It's always been peaceful, friendly and almost like Canada day celebrations. It was loud the first week due to honking but even that's stopped. And even if there were honking, that's not violence. I am brown and my buddy is black and neither of us met with anything other than fri…

Hey, I respect that. I'm curious if the protests are just about the vaccine mandates, or are there other things too that are drawing people out?

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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> The Emergencies Act is the modern-day replacement to the War Measures Act. It allows the federal government to force companies to provide services, it can require public protests to end, and limit mobility rights by preventing people from moving to designating areas. > > The act also allows for the military to be used as police, but several sources said that is not under active consideration. Not a good look for Tr…

What should be done differently? In Alberta restrictions have been lifted but the occupation of the border still hasn't ended.

Alberta hasn’t fully lifted the restrictions, nor has Kenney taken the option of reinstating the restrictions off the table.
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