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UK launches “No Place To Hide” propaganda campaign to ban E2EE
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Re: UK launches “No Place To Hide” propaganda campaign to ban E2EE
#52What a waste of public money. As the paraphrased saying goes: “If you outlaw Encryption only outlaws will have Encryption.” It doesn’t solve a thing, other than make politicians look like they are doing something. Petty thieves, small time drug dealers and other small time criminals may end up without encryption. But it doesn’t solve organised crime, there are the problem and they are intelligent enough to use an enc…
Well if only (non-crypto) criminals use crypto and that is defective illegal then only criminals will be punished. That aspect is not a-priori immoral to me. I don't see how you can win over many people by repeating a mantra like this...
> I don't see how you can win over many people by repeating a mantra like this...
I don’t expect to, this isn’t about wining over or educating the public at large. You would never be able to on a technical issue like this, especially when horrific illegal activity is involved.
The issue is knowledgable and informed politicians and agency spinning this rubbish trying to convince the public they can win this, when they know they can’t. They are lying.
Re: UK launches “No Place To Hide” propaganda campaign to ban E2EE
#53I can't wait until this one backfires on them. A good take on government competence on this sort of stuff was done by Brass Eye: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRRw1ERj2Gc
Video seems to be affected by a false copyright claim: > Video unavailable > This video contains content from LDS, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds LDS "suggests" I watch "Michael McIntyre On Christmas | Michael McIntyre" instead.
It's quite short. I can't find a link to a quote online, a transcript is:
"Last month, the notorious paedophile Sidney Cook was blasted into space, to spend the rest of his life aboard a one-man prison vessel, posing no further threat to children on Earth.
But it was revealed that an eight-year old boy was placed on board, by mistake, and is now trapped alone in space with the monster. A spokesman said:
'This is the one thing we didn't want to happen' "
Re: UK launches “No Place To Hide” propaganda campaign to ban E2EE
#54What a waste of public money. As the paraphrased saying goes: “If you outlaw Encryption only outlaws will have Encryption.” It doesn’t solve a thing, other than make politicians look like they are doing something. Petty thieves, small time drug dealers and other small time criminals may end up without encryption. But it doesn’t solve organised crime, there are the problem and they are intelligent enough to use an enc…
Well if only (non-crypto) criminals use crypto and that is defective illegal then only criminals will be punished. That aspect is not a-priori immoral to me. I don't see how you can win over many people by repeating a mantra like this...
Those in possession of blobs of data passing tests of statistical randomness must be punished. Send any of that statistically-random data over the web? That’s a punishin’.
Re: UK launches “No Place To Hide” propaganda campaign to ban E2EE
#55Why does the website have HTTPS??
https is only encryption in transit. endpoints see all traffic.
Re: UK launches “No Place To Hide” propaganda campaign to ban E2EE
#56Sure. No place to hide. Everyone. Probably several careless criminals and definitely every well-being citizen.
Re: UK launches “No Place To Hide” propaganda campaign to ban E2EE
#57Sorry for the choice words, but shit like this makes my blood boil. You're not trying to "keep our children safe" motherfucker, and you know it. You're trying to prevent people from being able to have private conversations, so your secret agencies can harvest all the data from everyone easily. To phrase it as "but think of the children" is instrumentalizing the actual victims of child abuse and you should be ashamed.
To be honest the motivation to keep our children (or people more generally) safe seems way more clear to me that the motivation… to prevent people from having private conversations… to what end?
Power/control.
Fwiw seems rather clear to me that we live in an age where information is groomed for us, for the same reasons.
Re: UK launches “No Place To Hide” propaganda campaign to ban E2EE
#58What a waste of public money. As the paraphrased saying goes: “If you outlaw Encryption only outlaws will have Encryption.” It doesn’t solve a thing, other than make politicians look like they are doing something. Petty thieves, small time drug dealers and other small time criminals may end up without encryption. But it doesn’t solve organised crime, there are the problem and they are intelligent enough to use an enc…
>“If you outlaw Encryption only outlaws will have Encryption.”
You overestimate outlaws. 99% of them will just use major platforms and not bother with encryption. There is a lot of low hanging fruit.
Re: UK launches “No Place To Hide” propaganda campaign to ban E2EE
#59I can't wait until this one backfires on them. A good take on government competence on this sort of stuff was done by Brass Eye: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRRw1ERj2Gc
Video seems to be affected by a false copyright claim: > Video unavailable > This video contains content from LDS, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds LDS "suggests" I watch "Michael McIntyre On Christmas | Michael McIntyre" instead.
the linked video is the "pedophile blasted into space" segment from Brass Eye (a very dark humored current affairs parody from the late 90s), for anyone else unable to view.
Re: UK launches “No Place To Hide” propaganda campaign to ban E2EE
#60What they want is continuous scanning for "illegal content" and where intelligence services can freely roam, store and analyze everything the population says.
They can use this to control the population, massaging and prodding the herd to move in a certain direction.
If this becomes reality then democracy is dead and I will plead for an authoritarian regime with me at the head.