“Pinebook Pro?”
Seems like an attempt to make it should Apple-like in naming. Why the need to try and piggyback off Apple? I take it less seriously because of the obvious attempt at invoking Apple. A gimmick name.
The complete idiot's guide to OpenBSD on the Pinebook Pro
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Re: The complete idiot's guide to OpenBSD on the Pinebook Pro
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I cannot imagine why you would feel OpenBSD is complicated to set up. Maybe the fact that there are so many manual steps to have a usable, "production grade", setup? Sure, you just have to follow documentation, but you're in for hours of work and learning tons of concepts before having anything secure if it's the first time. Also, if you make a single mistake along the way, all the help you'll get is a "Yeah, you d…
Just because I think it an awesome feature: Did you know that OpenBSD has an auto install feature, where the entire installer is scripted, no manual steps required? There is also the option for easily customizing the installer to configure the system so it's ready when it initially boot. See: https://man.openbsd.org/autoinstall , https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#site and https://openbsd.amsterdam/setup.html for…
if you want a full system format and are happy with the defaults, you can just keep pressing enter, and besides entering a username and 2 passwords, that is it as far as interacting with the installer goes.
Re: The complete idiot's guide to OpenBSD on the Pinebook Pro
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
BSD's don't use partitions, but slices. And, well, NetBSD it's pretty conservative, but OpenBSD's defaults are good for a desktop.
For all practical intents and purposes, BSD's use partitions. They just call them differently because they use a different technical implementation. But they're still just as static and just as limiting as regular partitions.
The important distinction for me is that the tools for working with partitions exist on openBSD (eg fdisk) but those deal with mbr/ gpt partitions, and won’t tell you about slices. So practically it’s a distinction you need to understand if you intend on working with them.
Re: The complete idiot's guide to OpenBSD on the Pinebook Pro
#54Are the idiot’s guides going through a euphemism treadmill? What’s next? The irredeemable moron’s guide to Nix?
A complete idiot's guide to OpenBSD on the Pinebook Pro would have been a nicer title for the reader ;)
Am I missing something? That is the title. Was it previously different?
Re: The complete idiot's guide to OpenBSD on the Pinebook Pro
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
A complete idiot's guide to OpenBSD on the Pinebook Pro would have been a nicer title for the reader ;)
Am I missing something? That is the title. Was it previously different?
A (presumably describing the author) vs the (presumably describing the reader).
Re: The complete idiot's guide to OpenBSD on the Pinebook Pro
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm amazed at how the openbsd community seems to like calling people idiots. "The complete idiot's guide" is a well-known series of books that cover a variety of topics for beginners; the title is a play on that. It's not an insult.
Never liked that branding for idiots. I've used OpenBSD since 2000. I own a PinebookPro. The tired and lame title makes me think the author is a joke (right or wrong) and I end up not wanting to bother giving this a try.
I see it as a direct reference to the "for dummies" books.
Re: The complete idiot's guide to OpenBSD on the Pinebook Pro
#57I'm amazed at how the openbsd community seems to like calling people idiots. I've been using various unices for about 20 years now, ranging from Slackware Linux to OpenSolaris to FreeBSD to Kubuntu. I gave openbsd a try a few years back, and found it utterly complicated to setup and use. And when you ask for help, you're treated like an idiot and the only reply you get is basically "rtfm". No joke, one of the guys sa…
>I'm amazed at how the openbsd community seems to like calling people idiots.
Nobody called anyone an idiot. You just missed the direct and obvious reference to the "Complete idiot guides to" series of books which are themselves a reference of the "for dummies" books.
Re: The complete idiot's guide to OpenBSD on the Pinebook Pro
#58Re: The complete idiot's guide to OpenBSD on the Pinebook Pro
#59I'm amazed at how the openbsd community seems to like calling people idiots. I've been using various unices for about 20 years now, ranging from Slackware Linux to OpenSolaris to FreeBSD to Kubuntu. I gave openbsd a try a few years back, and found it utterly complicated to setup and use. And when you ask for help, you're treated like an idiot and the only reply you get is basically "rtfm". No joke, one of the guys sa…
I think you're overreacting and exaggerating, both regarding OpenBSD being complicated to set up and about the community being toxic. Yes, a certain few people on the official mailing lists can be a bit vocal and stingy, and that also goes for one or two asocial a**holes on the inofficial IRC channel (#openbsd/libera), but these people are few and by no means representative of the community. For the absolute majority…
> I think you're overreacting and exaggerating
I don't think so. I had similar experiences to what GP is reporting.
Edit: I must add, this was many years ago (at least ten)... I then let them on their own playing their games, kept studying gnu/linux and I regret nothing, frankly.
Re: The complete idiot's guide to OpenBSD on the Pinebook Pro
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, for one thing, setting up FDE was way harder that it should probably be for "the most secure os on the planet". Also, I installed Kubuntu the other day, and I just kept pressing enter. There was even a checkbox for FDE.
I think it's the difference between being simple, and hiding complexity behind towers of abstraction. In my experience OpenBSD goes to great lengths to rethink systems and purge intrinsic complexity. By contrast, Linux tends to merge complexity behind meta interfaces. OpenBSD's approach appeals to me aesthetically, and I like the feeling that I could easily dive in and get to the bottom of the stack. There is no magi…
the openBSD community is also very pragmatic in terms of backwards compatibility.
spending time make systems backwards compatible should be better spend making the path to using as easy as possible, and a big help in that is keeping complexity down and not building towers of abstraction.