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What happened in the EU? You don't need a credit card to access porn or Facebook in the EU.
You need a credit card to watch age-restricted videos on YouTube.
is this true? did not know this…
UK.gov to make adults give credit card details for access to Facebook or TikTok
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#53This feels like it could be resolved by technology. I am happy to identify myself to government entity A to prove my age, but I don't want A to know what sites I visit. I want to visit site B, but I don't want to identify myself. Is there no API that will allow B to verify my age via A, without A finding out what site B is, and without B finding out anything more than my age bracket?
OAuth 2.0 resolves this. The government can be in control of maintaining citizens' identities and citizens can likewise request claims from the government's auth server regarding their age or any other matter.
That claim as a signed message can be provided to third-party services which need only validate the signed message using the public key associated with the secret key that signed the claim message.
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#54People don’t realize how invasive the UK govt is when it comes to internet monitoring. Today if you try to access adult content on a UK mobile device you get blocked by age verification. You have to call your mobile provider and prove your age (it’s a once-per-contract thing). One of the ways you can prove your age is with a credit card. But I imagine it’s a large deterrent because not many people want to call Vodafo…
But I imagine it’s a large deterrent because not many people want to call Vodafone and ask permission to look at pornography. True, and particularly galling when the content you want to look at is not porn but (say) the internet archive or opinion sites that weenies in the provider have deemed offensive.
TIL why the internet archive wouldn’t load for me sometimes. I am so grateful for having being protected from the evils of the internet.
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#55For Facebook or TikTok it's a sensible move because they are social networks trying to connect natural persons. Not just child protection as mentioned in the article but ecommerce scams, misinformation, catfishing or botting would be cut down if you could verify that the online identity represents who it claims it does. It would be good though if there is some identity standard across platforms rather than the existi…
What you are suggesting wouldn't help improve those situations, and in fact will likely make them worse. Governments and companies have been historically bad at protecting information. Companies will see it as an opportunity, governments will abuse it and the user will end up just having more information online for people to use against them. So called misinformation will change in definition to only support government-approved talking points. Before you know it, disagreeing with your government and pointing out lies will just cause them to say they have a reason now to use the information you provided to go after you and try to ruin your life. Employees and government agents will now have a plethora of more data to do lookups on their exes, enemies, etc. It is bad all around.
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#56I have a gut feeling this is a lead balloon, meant to be shot down so that other stuff can pass untouched. This type of bill is typically full of horrible little clauses that would never clear Parliament on their own, but if you bag enough of them together, pushing them all at the same time, eventually some will make it through.
I think you mean Lead Zeppelin...
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#57There was a thread about this yesterday [0], this is almost certainly not going to happen. I think based on the number of times they have tried to legislate for this, most recently in 2019, I would put the odds of it happening (even in a hamstrung way) at less than 10%. Big company’s (Facebook, etc) will lobby against it, they will argue about what the threshold of requirement is. Then there is the logistics, privacy…
It happened in the EU. Why wouldn't it happen in the UK?
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
The fact they keep trying despite repeatedly being humiliated by market realities, though, indicates the lobbying pressure by pro-censorship groups is quite high. This is bound to produce something eventually.
Are they being humiliated though? Feels like they get lots of press when announcing this kind of stuff which sits well with some target part of the electorate, then when the whole thing gets abandoned it happens with almost no attention. The current government seems to be well aware that most of the time announcing a policy has a much higher ROI than actually implementing one (cf all the times pre-existing spending c…
But you can only perform this act so much before it wears out and backfires. See for example the recent defections of "red wall" Tory MPs after the announcements you mention - they know the situation is becoming indefensible in the eyes of their electorate, since they keep promising money which then fails to materialize.
Have they reached this point with the "online moral-indignation brigade" yet? Maybe not, but it's been 5 years since the Snoopers' Charter, I don't know how many since the porn-blocking promises and about 13 since the first pledges in this area by a Conservative party, with no significant progress to show for it. That's a lot of time even in political terms.
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#60I have a gut feeling this is a lead balloon, meant to be shot down so that other stuff can pass untouched. This type of bill is typically full of horrible little clauses that would never clear Parliament on their own, but if you bag enough of them together, pushing them all at the same time, eventually some will make it through.
I think you mean Lead Zeppelin...
uhm, no...? https://wordhistories.net/2021/09/20/lead-balloon/
It's a common idiom in political discourse. Or was this a bad joke?