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Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by realusername »

huhtenberg wrote: post #33

But, wait! It gets even better [1]: - Cannot also support IAP - Website links are all to a single URL specified in Info.plist with no parameters - Must submit monthly report to Apple listing EVERY external transaction All for measly 27% of the sales proceeds. A total steal. Apple's really jerking on the regulators' chain. I sure hope they continue in the same vein, because the fallout will be spectacular. [1] https:/…

Apple is just asking to get hammered, I've never seen such a level of contempt, let's hope they get what they are deserving. There's soon going to be a domino effect in the EU.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by _zooted »

unfocussed_mike wrote: post #39

I am puzzled that he really appears to find it funny. I am a long-time Mac user and I find myself fervently hoping that Apple has made the completely unnecessary self-own that will finally help people forget the whole keyboard fiasco. This is the most staggering example of deliberate, bad-faith arrogance that they could have come up with. If Apple is now the kind of business that joyfully thumbs its nose at regulator…

IMO the goal is to add friction to the external payment methods so that people just give up and use the built-in Apple payment method that they make insane margins on.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by Diggsey »

dessant wrote: post #45
causi wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple would not let them charge one price for App Store payments and another price for external payments.

A store cannot dictate how much you charge for a product at a different retailer, and they have no right to interfere with your business activity, and the agreements you have with a different distributor.

Apple can and does do this.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by iam-TJ »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #30
drcongo wrote: post #6

I'm sure I'm in a minority here, but I think this is good . As a consumer, I want to be warned if there's something that's going to deviate from my system's norms, especially if it could take money from me.

The issue with the app store is there's a clear conflict of interest. Also it restricts users freedom.

A 'nit' about your phraseology - not aimed at you but at what has become 'received' usage.

I always take care to replace "users freedom" with "OWNERS freedom" in my conversations since so many people seem to have forgotten the distinction. Relatedly, I talk about "computer operators" not "computer users" to try remind people of this important distinction.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by unfocussed_mike »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #26
sschueller wrote: post #4

It's really time to do what needs to be done. I want the EU to force Apple and Google to allow 3rd party app stores with the exact same rights as theirs (auto updated etc.). Just like back in the day when Microsoft was forced to let users allow other browser when it wasn't even being blocked. Just theirs was pre-installed! The security excuse doesn't cut it, sorry. 3rd party app stores can be just as secure if not ev…

Why don't we buy their security concern? We then declare the App Store a utility and divorce it from Apple entirely. Pay Apple off and have it run as a non-profit supported by a minimal tax from Apple and developers.

Apart from the fact that almost nobody could afford to pay them off!

(FWIW, I have always thought that media companies should collectively buy Twitter and run it as a utility)

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by shawnz »

Macha wrote: post #17
aeonflux wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Supported side-loading is a thing on Android since day one? What innovation came out of this? Thousands of rip-off apps, all sort of malware pushed upon clueless users? I know, that some of those things are still a problem on iOS, but just imagine how worse this can gen, if they would be forced to open up the system for additional app stores.

Third party app stores cannot automatically update apps - each individual update requires going through a modal OS prompt to confirm. This harms the install experience on e.g. F-Droid or Amazon Store on non-Amazon devices.

They can in Android 12.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by Grustaf »

unfocussed_mike wrote: post #39

I am puzzled that he really appears to find it funny. I am a long-time Mac user and I find myself fervently hoping that Apple has made the completely unnecessary self-own that will finally help people forget the whole keyboard fiasco. This is the most staggering example of deliberate, bad-faith arrogance that they could have come up with. If Apple is now the kind of business that joyfully thumbs its nose at regulator…

Because it can't just be that they actually want to be very clear to the user that Apple is not responsible for the experience?

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by smoldesu »

dariosalvi78 wrote: post #13

I wonder what's their reasoning here, it is obvious that this is will not satisfy anybody. Are they buying time? Or do they want to show that they are above everybody and don't try to mess with us (except if you're China of course)? We used to hate Microsoft for much less than this. I wonder how Apple can still have so many fans, even on this forum.

> We used to hate Microsoft for much less than this. I wonder how Apple can still have so many fans, even on this forum.

If you build a lifestyle product, people can and will struggle to separate their own identity from the products they own. People take an insult on Apple like it's an insult on them, which is not a basis for healthy discourse in the slightest. We end up with apologist takes like "I actually like having 30% of my revenue forfeited to Apple because [they deserve it | I would have given it to them anyways | it's not that much | (YOUR EXCUSE HERE)]" that don't really do anything to diffuse the situation.

Unfortunately, this dysfunction is not exclusive to technology, it's a problem with capitalism as a whole. The same "thought guards" exist with other lifestyle brands like Disney, Gucci, Ferrari, and anyone else who sells the idea of elitism to people who lack self-respect.

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Post by throwaway22032 »

FabHK wrote: post #50
throwaway22032 wrote: post #8

The whole ecosystem around Apple products seems to be a commitment to producing e-waste in the short-term. It's really bizarre. A 20 year old PC still works. It might be slow, but as long as it's 64-bit, you can run modern software. If it's older and 32-bit you might be struggling but it's at least theoretically possible. By contrast Apple seem hell-bent on creating this environment in which they control the software…

I have an iPad from 2013 that works just fine. It only runs iOS 12.5.5, so some modern apps using newer APIs one cannot install. But many things run perfectly ok, just a tad slow. And, if an app doesn't run, the App store offers to install the latest version still compatible with the OS, if available. I don't see how that's compatible with your claim that: > as soon as they stop supporting it, that's it, you now have…

By contrast, your computer from 2013 is a computer from 2022 but a bit slower.

The fact that you view "some stuff is broken but like, it's old" as okay is in my view an enormous concession. It should fully work, there is no reason for it not to other than them locking it down.

It's fair enough that an original Motorola Razr isn't a smartphone because there are physical constraints. If the only thing preventing it from working is that they've gone closed source, locked the bootloader and told you to get fucked that's planned obsolescence and I'm gonna call it out as being bullshit.

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