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Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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There's a whole ecosystem of businesses that rely on Facebook that are going to start hurting a lot over the next few years. I used to work at a publisher where 80% of their website traffic came from Facebook. They haven't seen audience growth in years and their audience is skewing older and older, which is bad for their advertising business Businesses like that are going to get steadily squeezed both by Facebook's d…

and that's ok.

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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There's a whole ecosystem of businesses that rely on Facebook that are going to start hurting a lot over the next few years. I used to work at a publisher where 80% of their website traffic came from Facebook. They haven't seen audience growth in years and their audience is skewing older and older, which is bad for their advertising business Businesses like that are going to get steadily squeezed both by Facebook's d…

Really what you're saying is that there's a whole ecosystem of businesses that depend on unavoidable surveillance. All Apple have done is allow users to say no. They haven't even stopped anyone opting into surveillance if they want to. It just turns out that, when given the choice, people don't like being snooped on.

I agree. Some businesses are addicted to Facebook and the data it provides, but they certainly have no right to it.

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would that payment be for from Facebook? Opinions aside, Google are paying for a thing, not just donating money. What would Facebook pay for? I'm not sure that them being a search engine makes sense, I don't think Apple would give up the position of iMessage in favour of Messenger. (Disclaimer, I work at Google, but don't have any inside info or opinion on the Apple/Google relationship.)

> What would that payment be for from Facebook? To live. This is Tim’s town and if you think you’re doing business and cutting Tim out then you’ve got $10b concrete boots coming.

I'm not sure if you're shitposting or actually replying. Alphabet pays Apple to be the default search-engine in Safari. Thats it, Google are not exempt from Apples privacy policies. Google dragged their feed after the iOS 15 privacy changes, but in the end had to cave.

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Facebook failed to pay the big money to Apple that they should have been paying for years. If Zuck had been handing Apple $5,000,000,000 per year as google does, then Apple would never have kneecapped Facebook. Larry and Sergei know how the protection racket works. You pay your dues to the local mob, you get to do business in their street corners. What do google pay Apple $5b for? Ummm… to be in the search of Safari.…

5B? Nah, champ. The price is 15B ...

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Facebook failed to pay the big money to Apple that they should have been paying for years. If Zuck had been handing Apple $5,000,000,000 per year as google does, then Apple would never have kneecapped Facebook. Larry and Sergei know how the protection racket works. You pay your dues to the local mob, you get to do business in their street corners. What do google pay Apple $5b for? Ummm… to be in the search of Safari.…

dang can you please enforce the rules more? In the last weeks hn is getting overrun with spammy troll accounts splattering conspiracy theories left and right.

This is unfortunately a remarkably well-documented conspiracy theory.

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

#56

Facebook failed to pay the big money to Apple that they should have been paying for years. If Zuck had been handing Apple $5,000,000,000 per year as google does, then Apple would never have kneecapped Facebook. Larry and Sergei know how the protection racket works. You pay your dues to the local mob, you get to do business in their street corners. What do google pay Apple $5b for? Ummm… to be in the search of Safari.…

dang can you please enforce the rules more? In the last weeks hn is getting overrun with spammy troll accounts splattering conspiracy theories left and right.

Something isn't a conspiracy theory just because it's an opinion that you do not like. I personally found the OPs take interesting, though obviously written a little tongue-in-cheek.

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Apple probably has the power to kill the advertising industry. Wish it would use its gatekeeper position to do good for once.

Don’t confuse advertising with tracking. I believe that the true advertising business and the people who really understand marketing is going to have a lot of success in the coming years.

The business that will hurt are those who only know how to click around in Google AdWords or Facebooks Ads. Those business but all their eggs in a rather small basket. Facebook isn’t going away anytime soon, but it will fail more quickly that some expect. If 50% or more of your business is coming from Facebook, start making plans for the future now.

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

#59

There's a whole ecosystem of businesses that rely on Facebook that are going to start hurting a lot over the next few years. I used to work at a publisher where 80% of their website traffic came from Facebook. They haven't seen audience growth in years and their audience is skewing older and older, which is bad for their advertising business Businesses like that are going to get steadily squeezed both by Facebook's d…

> There's a whole ecosystem of businesses that rely on Facebook that are going to start hurting a lot over the next few years.

Good riddance, what a bunch of bottom feeders.

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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> But last year, citing privacy concerns, Apple turned off IDFA by default and forced apps to ask people if they want to be tracked. It seems most do not: a study in December by AppsFlyer, an ad-tech company, suggested that 54% of Apple users who saw the prompt opted out. Hard to believe that nearly half of all people is ok with being tracked...

I believe that most people live relatively uneventful lives, and truly believe that they have nothing to hide from anyone, and resultantly do not value their own privacy whatsoever. The loss of privacy from surveillance capitalism does not bother them at all, and practically it is all upside, because they lost nothing of value to themselves. It does not enter their minds that mass abandonment of privacy means that it…

On the contrary, they do realize that loss of privacy makes life harder for "troublemakers", and they see that as a benefit. Don't make the mistake of assuming that everyone shares your moral code.
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