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Why does my diet soda taste off? Aspartame hydrolysis

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Re: Why does my diet soda taste off? Aspartame hydrolysis

#51
Stop drinking coke! It's not well for you. Especially when you get older. The problem lies within the phosphoric acid added in plenty amounts.

It's not exactly only coca cola's problem, but it adds up.

Phosphorus is been added everywhere - from Sausages (e.g. the one in hot dogs. Or, The one's intended to be grilled like the GERMAN SAUSAGE) to muffins. I think, it's called sometimes backing soda - the powder you add to make cakes or croissants fluffy. Not to compare with the Natrium bicarbonate which is ok ..

So the phosphorus is needed for every living cell. Essential for the live developed.

The problem:

We need phosphorus to build our bones. Phosphorus reacts with Calcium and they build up salt difficult to dissolve back to calcium and phosphorus. Usually, that will be incorporated into our bones and makes the bone's structure and fillings.

The problem starts when you grew older and your kidneys worsen. It still can be enough to clean your blood, but give a possibility for phosphorus to accumulate slowly in your blood.

With too much phosphorus in your blood, your body tries to regulate that - as your kidneys can't do the work properly anymore, there's is just one way:

going through the Calcium-phosphate-double-circle-regulation.

That means, if one is having to much phosphorus in the blood, your body start to produce a hormone that stimulates releasing more calcium into your blood to bind that phosphorus. The calcium comes out of the Bones. They get easy broken like glass. and.. the bound phosphorus and calcium are in your blood vessels. Difficult to dissolve back. Cluttering the vessels.

That's one of the reasons for arteriosclerosis and insults. But also for the elder getting blind (Makula degenerative illness) and deaf (I think). A lot of people have that.

So. I stopped consuming anything with added phosphate contents.

Thank me later.

Re: Why does my diet soda taste off? Aspartame hydrolysis

#52
post #19

> If you unzip aspartame into the two amino acids and remove that methyl to become methanol, you have a tasteless mixture of pretty harmless compounds. I'm somewhat surprised nobody has commented on this yet, so let me point it out: methanol is not harmless! It causes blindness or death. (I don't say diet soda is harmful, only that methanol is.)

Poisson is in the dose, not the substance.

Re: Why does my diet soda taste off? Aspartame hydrolysis

#53

Stop drinking coke! It's not well for you. Especially when you get older. The problem lies within the phosphoric acid added in plenty amounts. It's not exactly only coca cola's problem, but it adds up. Phosphorus is been added everywhere - from Sausages (e.g. the one in hot dogs. Or, The one's intended to be grilled like the GERMAN SAUSAGE) to muffins. I think, it's called sometimes backing soda - the powder you add…

Is phosphorus in standard blood tests? Could a calcium supplement help?

Re: Why does my diet soda taste off? Aspartame hydrolysis

#54

Stop drinking coke! It's not well for you. Especially when you get older. The problem lies within the phosphoric acid added in plenty amounts. It's not exactly only coca cola's problem, but it adds up. Phosphorus is been added everywhere - from Sausages (e.g. the one in hot dogs. Or, The one's intended to be grilled like the GERMAN SAUSAGE) to muffins. I think, it's called sometimes backing soda - the powder you add…

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Re: Why does my diet soda taste off? Aspartame hydrolysis

#55
post #46

Never saw the point of diet sodas. I'd much rather drink normal coke with proper sugar in it. It's unhealthy, yes - so drink slightly less.

This is my life motto: eat well but portion wisely. I like butter. I like sugar. I like McDonalds, and cream, and cheese. So I eat these things, but only in moderation. I don't worry about trying to trick my tastebuds into thinking food tastes good. To me, artificial sweeteners taste bitter and wholly unpleasant. I would rather just drink water than drink diet soda. Indeed, I drink soda very rarely now, but once every few weeks a real coca cola is quite delicious.

Re: Why does my diet soda taste off? Aspartame hydrolysis

#56
post #8

Recently I went to my office for the first time since the pandemic started. The Diet Coke in the office fridge tasted HORRIBLE.

Had the same experience briefly returning to an office last year, some very unappetizing Coke Zero. I don't know how much Ace-K differs in this regard or if there's not really enough to matter but... not good.

Was not really something I previously thought of as really expiring in any meaningful sense.

Re: Why does my diet soda taste off? Aspartame hydrolysis

#57
post #19

> If you unzip aspartame into the two amino acids and remove that methyl to become methanol, you have a tasteless mixture of pretty harmless compounds. I'm somewhat surprised nobody has commented on this yet, so let me point it out: methanol is not harmless! It causes blindness or death. (I don't say diet soda is harmful, only that methanol is.)

Poisson is in the dose, not the substance.

The usual pithy phrasing is "the dose makes the poison."

Re: Why does my diet soda taste off? Aspartame hydrolysis

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your note about the sweetener packets makes me curious if diet soda syrup lasts longer. This has been a reason for me to hold off on putting together my own carbonation setup as, in spite of how much soda I drink, I still don’t think I could move through the requisite 2.5 gallons of syrup before the expiration date hit. I wonder if the aspartame suffers the same hydrolysis in syrup.

It does! (less water, so less hydrolysis) "name brand" syrup however isn't particularly economical at retail however[1]. Not too surprisingly there has been a rash of restaurant bankruptcies during the pandemic and so buying "used" soda fountain gear is actually pretty easy (at least in the western US) these days. I actually have an Elkay "water machine" which does carbonation (as well as chilled and not chilled stil…

One issue with those machines is the sweetener is mixed with the flavor ingredients at the fountain. That's how they fit all those flavors in a refrigerator size package. Each flavor pack is about the size of a box of mike and ikes, but there's also a "bib"(2.5 gallon bag in box)[1] of non-nutritive sweetener that's shared by all the diet flavors. Corn syrup gets routed in from a big tank in the back along with water and c02.

In practice if you wanted some kind of home setup, you'd be much better off just buying the normal box of syrup like they use in fast-food restaurants, gas stations, etc.

[1]https://www.ebay.com/itm/184564418337

Re: Why does my diet soda taste off? Aspartame hydrolysis

#59

Is the "jury still out" on Aspertame causing health problems like cancer?

No. Aspartame is one of the most studied and tested substances on the planet and they still haven't linked a single problem to it. At least not one that doesn't relate to sweeteners in general. Nothing else has gone under so much scrutiny (Maybe MSG). Seems like a too good to be true situation where people can't accept its actually this good.

Speaking of people being afraid of MSG, As far as I'm concerned that's racist. The only reason people are afraid of seaweed extract (MSG) is because some racists person made up "Chinese Food Syndrome". People repeating the lie are affectively passing on something based on racist propaganda. It's also the reason much of the asian food in the bay area doesn't taste nearly as delicious as the real deal in asia. Because the racist person who made up Chinese Food Syndrome lie is still spreading their hatred.

Re: Why does my diet soda taste off? Aspartame hydrolysis

#60

Is the "jury still out" on Aspertame causing health problems like cancer?

This article is at pains to say ‘it’s safe’. Meh. It is absolutely not definitely established to be safe.

Safety aside, I read some research once which indicated artificial sweeteners impact the body’s own insulin response and suppress the feeling of being full. This resonated with me because when I have diet sodas I always feel like eating. Nowadays I stick to water or if I want to treat myself, soda with real sugar.

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