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Only enterprise and developers can bypass Windows Store for Metro apps

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Re: Only enterprise and developers can bypass Windows Store for Metro apps

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I think its a positive development, across the board. The ability to better combat malware (no plugins is part of this too) will generally make these platforms safer. If you really must distribute an app that needs to go outside of these walls non-metro apps are perfectly fine. You can accomplish a lot of what Metro apps can do today outside of Metro (at least from a look and feel perspective). And as Apple has noted…

Confusion is bad. It's a shame that Windows' highest cachet titles (pro creative software, big budget games, etc.) won't be Metro.

Why not? There's nothing that prohibits them from being Metro, right? If not, then why wouldn't developers of those apps eventually adopt Metro? If Metro provides the best customer experience and becomes associated with "high quality" apps, I bet they'll make the move to Metro.

(Note: I don't expect major vendors will adopt Metro the second Windows 8 ships, as they'll want to continue shipping titles with support for at least 7 for quite some time.)

Re: Only enterprise and developers can bypass Windows Store for Metro apps

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How are you spinning this to be about choice? You're conflating the app type with the distribution channel. I agree that curated native app stores are generally great. Users get higher quality apps with great discoverability, developers get a great distribution channel, and let's not forget, the platform owner gets 30%. It's hard to argue that this is about choice of where you get your apps, though.

If by "higher quality apps" you mean loads and loads of thinly disguised ad- and spyware, as well as generally useless crap, then yes, curated native app stores are "great". I'd say the density of pure and utter crapware has never been higher than in the various app stores. While a unified distribution method is generally a good idea for various reasons (see package managers), the whole app store concept runs complet…

> If by "higher quality apps" you mean loads and loads of thinly disguised ad- and spyware, as well as generally useless crap, then yes, curated native app stores are "great". > I'd say the density of pure and utter crapware has never been higher than in the various app stores.

Compared to what? Download.com? Tucows? Every app put on the internet, ever? There are lots of useless and borderline malicious apps on the existing mobile app stores (and a handful of downright malicious apps), but I'm far from convinced that it's in any way worse than what we've had so far on the desktop. All the "browser toolbar" apps out there, by themselves, are enough to make app stores look good.

And having a unified place where you know you can get the official version of any app, along with any updates, and from where you can painlessly re-install all your apps when you get a new machine, cannot possibly be a bad thing.

What do developers get for that 30% cut? In Apple's case, they get access to a huge userbase who has already entered their credit card into the system and just need to press "buy"; they get access to payment processing, currency conversion, and storefront internationalization, close to world-wide, without lifting a finger. Is 30% "fair"? Probably not - it's probably a bit high for small developers, and larger developers may prefer to opt out and solve all those challenges for themselves, for much cheaper. (edit: for desktop Mac apps, they can. The fact that some developers choose to sell their Mac apps through the App Store suggests the 30% is worth it for those developers. It's important that those developers still have the choice to sell their desktop apps through other channels - so far, anyway).

Yes, it's ultimately about control, and about that 30% commission. I did say it's less choice, not more. But you can't say there are no benefits at all, to both users or developers.

Re: Only enterprise and developers can bypass Windows Store for Metro apps

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Apple -> IOS -> App Store Google -> Android -> Android Store Microsoft -> Metro -> Windows Store The computing world is clearly going all vertical, all the time, and I can't be alone in being fed up with it. I think this locked-down environment that Apple has persuaded everyone to be comfortable with is eventually going to break down. I can't see any compelling reason why anyone would build 3 versions of their servic…

Well, at least Android allows competing app stores, most notably Amazon.

Re: Only enterprise and developers can bypass Windows Store for Metro apps

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Has that been stated or confirmed?

"All apps for ARM are going to come through the Store, which means they’re going to be Metro Apps." – Windows president Steven Sinofsky http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2011/09/13/windows-8-on-arm/

Mary Jo Foley just came out and said the exact opposite now:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-desktop-apps-w...

Sinofsky is of course the person to listen to, but I'm concerned that wires aren't crossing correctly -- and I'm not sure from where.

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