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The computer built to last 50 years (2021)

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Re: The computer built to last 50 years (2021)

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post #38

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That's not a good reason to take away my choice, and rob me of the opportunity to access this information on an older device if I wanted to.

Proxies like WeBone can solve that. https://github.com/atauenis/webone I use it for a solaris install. https://smackeyacky.blogspot.com/2021/10/hacker-news-in-hotj...

Wow, WebOne looks awesome, thank you! My second computer is a 2005 mac mini..and it can't see ~98% of the web. I'll try that.

Re: The computer built to last 50 years (2021)

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The Commodore 64 was introduced 40 years ago. I’m not sure 50 years is that long or hard for a computer to do? This article is written like 50 years is undicipherable hieroglyphics territory. I can still remember LOAD “*”,8,1 like it was yesterday. And original Commodore 64s still run today.

>This article is written like 50 years is undicipherable hieroglyphics territory.

Then again your name is Rambo, whereas the author might be some 20+ year old, for whom Rambo itself is a "classic" movie kinda like Casablanca was for us :)

Re: The computer built to last 50 years (2021)

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It does feel dangerous, somehow, doesn't it, to have the web of technology be so complex? Even something like an automobile- once cars were simple enough that you could take them apart, put them back together, and have a decent chance of doing it right. But now the parts and the computer controlled systems are so complex that you really can't. All the equipment that got left in Afghanistan is a case in point: the Afg…

> It does feel dangerous, somehow, doesn't it, to have the web of technology be so complex?

Yes, and it is disappointing that it is being constantly made mode complex even for the functions that our technology has been capable of performing quite well for decades. It's hard to opt out of the web (including the "world wide web").

> That said, you can do a lot of interesting stuff with a low powered machine, and I'd love to play around with one.

What could I do to encourage you to do so?

You can play with a low powered machine, get any cheap SBC. If you want less power and want to feel like you really own the machine, get some microcontroller development board and start writing your own tiny OS for it :)

Re: The computer built to last 50 years (2021)

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a good reason to take away my choice, and rob me of the opportunity to access this information on an older device if I wanted to.

Proxies like WeBone can solve that. https://github.com/atauenis/webone I use it for a solaris install. https://smackeyacky.blogspot.com/2021/10/hacker-news-in-hotj...

I appreciate the effort, but there's something that rubs me the wrong way about the state of this "force the world to always encrypt and offer no alternative", the same beef I have with Gemini.

"Take perfectly good protocol" -> "Wrap encryption around it" -> "Only offer encrypted version even though the plaintext version is right there" -> "Use third-party tool and extra infrastructure to unwrap perfectly good protocol before it can be used".

Re: The computer built to last 50 years (2021)

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post #45

A sturdy laptop with replaceable batteries running emacs. I can see that lasting for 50 years.

My setup is almost exactly that, and has been going strong for 12 years now (Thank god for the old Thinkpads). The only reason I am pondering to replace the machine is getting the stinkeye from airport security when you put a "laptop" that looks "unusual" through their scanner.

Re: The computer built to last 50 years (2021)

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post #46
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a good reason to take away my choice, and rob me of the opportunity to access this information on an older device if I wanted to.

Nobody took away your choice. You just need to implement/find SSL for that older device.

I think you've got something mixed up here, it's not that more effort is required by either party, it's just NOT to block port 80, and NOT write explicit redirect rules, and poof, stuff works.

Re: The computer built to last 50 years (2021)

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> For most typewriters, restoration is only a matter of taking the time to do it. There’s no complex skills or tools involved. Even the most difficult operations could be learned alone, by simple trial and error. What. Let's say an internal piece failed because of mechanical stress caused by lack of lubrication or a jammed foreign object. How do you figure out "by simple trial and error" which piece failed, why it fa…

> How do you figure out "by simple trial and error" which piece failed, why it failed, what the original piece was supposed to look like, and finally repair it, without expert knowledge and precision tools? For a typewriter? It's not even a challenge, 14 year olds have done bigger projects in their garages. And not even particularly bright 14 year olds - and not even today, with fast access to all kinds of informatio…

Of course buying and swapping a part is something a teenager can do easily. I'm talking about making the parts myself, with consumer-level tools, because unless something like this gets an absolutely gigantic following or backing there's zero chance there'll be spare parts easily available in 10+ years, never mind 50.

Re: The computer built to last 50 years (2021)

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proxies like WeBone can solve that. https://github.com/atauenis/webone I use it for a solaris install. https://smackeyacky.blogspot.com/2021/10/hacker-news-in-hotj...

I appreciate the effort, but there's something that rubs me the wrong way about the state of this "force the world to always encrypt and offer no alternative", the same beef I have with Gemini. "Take perfectly good protocol" -> "Wrap encryption around it" -> "Only offer encrypted version even though the plaintext version is right there" -> "Use third-party tool and extra infrastructure to unwrap perfectly good protoc…

I sympathise somewhat but unfortunately the popularity of the internet means those innocent days of unencrypted information have been made dangerous due to too many bad actors. Like usenet, it's gone, it's not coming back. We shrug and move on.

Re: The computer built to last 50 years (2021)

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post #58
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How do you figure out "by simple trial and error" which piece failed, why it failed, what the original piece was supposed to look like, and finally repair it, without expert knowledge and precision tools? For a typewriter? It's not even a challenge, 14 year olds have done bigger projects in their garages. And not even particularly bright 14 year olds - and not even today, with fast access to all kinds of informatio…

Of course buying and swapping a part is something a teenager can do easily. I'm talking about making the parts myself, with consumer-level tools, because unless something like this gets an absolutely gigantic following or backing there's zero chance there'll be spare parts easily available in 10+ years, never mind 50.

Most parts are trivial to make, and the tools required are in a million or so garages and amateur woodworking and mechanics "shops" across of the US. People make their own replacement hot rod and car parts for Pete's sake, now typewriter parts?

It's not like a classic (non electric) typewriter is some wonder of engineering. You don't even need a circuit printed, or anything that has to be made in a factory.

You can buy a dirt cheap 3D printer for some kind of replacement parts, bend, twist, or manually make a mold and poor metal into it for others, soldier or power glue for others yet, and so on...

(And in regular life, you also have the option to salvage a similar model or even a different one with compatible parts and McGyever a solution trivially).

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