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Re: Rancher Desktop 1.0

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Post by capableweb »

carlreid wrote: post #42
lucasyvas wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need Docker Desktop on macOS and Windows even if you don't want it. Please, send help :(

For Windows, you can run docker in WSL at least. It's also easy to install using the script at https://get.docker.com . It will warn you about WSL and recommend Docker Desktop for Windows, which is funny since Docker Desktop can also run docker for you in WSL.

Could you really claim that installing Docker via WSL is actually running Docker on Windows? It's really hard for me to claim such. Rather, you're installing/running Docker via Ubuntu (or whatever image you use), while Windows is the host.

Re: Rancher Desktop 1.0

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Post by lioeters »

ginko wrote: post #50

Am I the only one that's starting to get a bit annoyed when random software for the desktop is getting called "XYZ Desktop"? I came here expecting a new desktop environment or WM called 'Rancher'.

I agree, it should be called "XYZ for Desktop".

Re: Rancher Desktop 1.0

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Post by lf-non »

ginko wrote: post #50

Am I the only one that's starting to get a bit annoyed when random software for the desktop is getting called "XYZ Desktop"? I came here expecting a new desktop environment or WM called 'Rancher'.

It is an indicator of mindset shift in the larger populance.

In a word where mobile and web apps are becoming more and more popular, calling a product a 'software solution' or an 'app' does not immediately make it obvious where the software will run.

Adding the word desktop makes it stand out to the audience who is looking for desktop software (and presumably who don't want to setup server side software, fiddle with cli or use an externally hosted orchestration service).

I recommend embracing the new reality that a vast majority of consumer grade software in present day world does not target desktops.

Re: Rancher Desktop 1.0

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Post by solarkraft »

cholmon wrote: post #14

It looks like Rancher Desktop uses Lima VM ( https://github.com/lima-vm/lima ) under the hood, I suppose in the same way that Docker Desktop uses Hypervisor.framework on macos? This is the first I've heard about the Lima project. I'll be interested to see how file system performance with this compares to Docker Desktop on mac.

Cool! Haven't used it with containers (Docker Desktop has been good enough), but am quite a Lima fan.

The main issues I've had are in networking and you have to keep in mind that you have to explicitly specify writable directories. Other than that it seems pretty well comparable to WSL2.

Re: Rancher Desktop 1.0

#55

Post by arejaytee »

moondev wrote: post #21
thrwawy283 wrote: post #3

It feels like we're late to create the desktop experience where most things run in containers. My wish is to run something like Proxmox as a "stable base", and within it have a VM for my firewall (pfsense), my primary Linux OS (Fedora/Arch), a VM for services (Docker & k8s), and a VM for Windows gaming. I like the separation of concerns. I've wanted to do all of this on a laptop but I can't get a VM to exclusively ta…

You can do exactly this with proxmox or esxi. Create a main "gaming vm" to autostart with GPU + USB passthrough. Then you can manage your other vms from the web browser on your gaming vm.

But what are you using to access this startup VM that's isn't clunky/laggy?

Re: Rancher Desktop 1.0

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Post by smarx007 »

smarx007 wrote: post #5

Can it be used to run Docker Compose workloads? As I understand, the tool is launched because at the end of January the Docker Desktop grace period elapses and it becomes paid for large business.

For anyone reading this: Rancher Desktop w/dockerd powers docker-compose perfectly (installed via pip3), at least on some of my projects `docker-compose up --build` ran out of the box without any problems.

Re: Rancher Desktop 1.0

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Post by steeve »

The killer feature over Docker for Mac would be memory ballooning. With this, there would be no need to specify a specific amount of memory, and the Linux VM would live happily alongside Mac OS. I know this is a limitation of Virtualisation/Hypervisor Framework apparently, but still.

It works wonder on WSL2, for instance.

Assigning all CPUs shouldn't do anything impactful really.

Re: Rancher Desktop 1.0

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Post by hsn915 »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #45
hsn915 wrote: post #27

This is depressing actually. Instead of working to simplify the desktop, people are pouring energy into solutions that further complexity everything. I don't understand the comments on this thread that express excitement and enthusiasm. To this day, the UX of the linux desktop is subpar. This is caused by the complexity involved in running a gnu/linux system. We do not need additional layers of complexity. We need to…

Rancher Desktop is > an open source app for desktop Kubernetes and container management on Mac, Windows and Linux What does that have to do with Linux desktop UX or running a GNU/Linux system? I could see objecting to k8s and containers in general on the basis of too many layers, but by the time someone's looking at using Rancher Desktop they've probably made that decision already. (For instance, this caught my eye b…

I was meta-commenting about other comments in this thread that imply the future of desktop is all containers and that this would be a good thing.

Re: Rancher Desktop 1.0

#59

Post by tyingq »

capableweb wrote: post #51
carlreid wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For Windows, you can run docker in WSL at least. It's also easy to install using the script at https://get.docker.com . It will warn you about WSL and recommend Docker Desktop for Windows, which is funny since Docker Desktop can also run docker for you in WSL.

Could you really claim that installing Docker via WSL is actually running Docker on Windows? It's really hard for me to claim such. Rather, you're installing/running Docker via Ubuntu (or whatever image you use), while Windows is the host.

I think the context was replying to "You Need Docker Desktop", which used to be true with WSL1. WSL2 opens up the option to run regular Docker in the WSL2 instance, which doesn't have to be Ubuntu, but could be.

Re: Rancher Desktop 1.0

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Post by resizeitplz »

capableweb wrote: post #51
carlreid wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For Windows, you can run docker in WSL at least. It's also easy to install using the script at https://get.docker.com . It will warn you about WSL and recommend Docker Desktop for Windows, which is funny since Docker Desktop can also run docker for you in WSL.

Could you really claim that installing Docker via WSL is actually running Docker on Windows? It's really hard for me to claim such. Rather, you're installing/running Docker via Ubuntu (or whatever image you use), while Windows is the host.

Sure you can. WSL abstracts a lot of the networking/integration between the host and VM, just like Docker Desktop does. The experiences are comparable.
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