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Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

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Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

#51

What is preventing the US from putting a QR in those cards as many other countries?

The qr code idea in Europe works together with your id. Americans don't want to use ID even for voting, hard to expect to have working vaccination card program. Hence they're left with random papers and the problem on hand.

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

#52
post #23

Best form of civil disobedience for these authoritarian and I would argue unlawful government mandates.

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Maybe if you're immuno-compromised, you should take more precautions. Especially since the vaccines do not prevent spread. "But they reduce the chance of spread!" the first reply will say. Great! Tell that to your immuno-compromised friends, neighbors and family that you killed because you were "less likely" to spread Covid, but did so anyway.

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

#53

I am amazed that anyone would spend hundreds of dollars to get replica of a handwritten paper card with zero security features of which there are millions of originals floating around. I guess the people who don't really understand how vaccines work also overlap with with people who don't understand how paper cards with no security features work.

Some people perhaps don't have the skills to replicate the different handwriting, stamps, reasonable dates/locations, etc, that would be needed to make them plausible for a specific area. Even if they aren't technically security features, they sort of are.

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

#54

Does it feel like it was pretty deliberate that these vaccine cards were designed in such a way as to be relatively easy to fake - or at the very lease, not designed to be hard to copy. I'm always impressed when I go to Mexico about the quality of the immigration card with the embossed/hologram like headers, that you get. If vaccine cards had looked like that it would have reduced counterfeits significantly. I'm 100%…

They weren't designed to be an authentication measure in the first place any more than the little reminder card your doctor's office gives you when you schedule your next appointment.

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

#56
post #30

This will obviously happen when there is no enforcement against it. If the last two years showed us anything it’s that the federal and state governments are all talk when it comes to COVID and can’t be bothered to enforce any of their so-called mandates. You know what would help fight these forgeries? Visible consequences for producing and possessing them.

How would you propose we start doing that?

Well we kind of can’t, now, since the design of the existing ones are so easily faked. If we could do them over again:

1. Go back in time and use one or more anti-forgery features of drivers licenses to at least make them hard to forge

2. Hold retailers accountable who fail to check or accept a forgery (like we do for liquor stores checking ID)

3. Consequences for possession of forged documents

4. Find and go after producers of them. This can’t be hard—the police could probably find quite a few just with a web search.

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

#57

Validating seems to be so lackluster that I'm not sure fake card producers are even an issue currently. Any time I've had to validate my vax status in order to get into some establishment, either a crappy photocopy or a digital photo of the card on my phone has been accepted without even blinking. Typically they don't even look at the info, they just see you wave something that looks vaguely right at them and they're…

Yea, this is a problem, too. Know why liquor stores [generally] scrutinize IDs carefully when someone who looks young tries to buy alcohol? Because there are actually legal consequences to them for getting it wrong that governments love to enforce.

Yep, you are right. I actually used to own a liquor store. Shutting you down for a day or more while you pay for your employees to go to mandatory retraining hits the pocket book pretty hard. Of course you could (well, had to, really) also just pay into the local police 'benevolent society'. It was cheaper and kept you out of most trouble.

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

#58

What is preventing the US from putting a QR in those cards as many other countries?

The qr code idea in Europe works together with your id. Americans don't want to use ID even for voting, hard to expect to have working vaccination card program. Hence they're left with random papers and the problem on hand.

> Americans don't want to use ID even for voting

*many liberal Americans

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

#59
post #35

As long as there's some mechanism to identify the fraudulent cards people can be held accountable for trying to pass off a fake as the real thing. Making, selling, or using a fake vaccination card is a felony. Can just anybody call up say, Walmart and verify if a vaccination card supposedly filled out by them is authentic? If not then that's the issue. Not the fact that fakes exist.

Yes, let's just make everyone's private medical info even less private! That's the ticket!

I don't understand why the US must invent new solutions, when there are already working solutions in other countries of the world. Yes, with a digitally signed QR code and an ID, where the controller checks the signature and the ID and that's it, no medical info goes anywhere. Even the US has ID checks when buying alcohol, why it's so difficult to use for covid? And yeah some people show fake IDs too, but how many are those. And yeah some people will show with "lying" QRs but only the health authorities can issue those so you know already where you must look for the forgers.

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

#60
post #23

Best form of civil disobedience for these authoritarian and I would argue unlawful government mandates.

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I'm immunocompromised because of some medication I take, but I don't agree with the idea of the government forcing people to undergo a medical procedure. I'm fully vaccinated and I hope that others get vaccinated too, but mandates under threat of consequences are a clear violation of medical ethics. (and yes, it is a medical procedure with demonstrable risks)
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