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Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by matheusmoreira »

kbrannigan wrote: post #47
matheusmoreira wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It hurts me to even think about this. We're headed towards such a bleak future. The only solution I can think of is to kill copyright in order to save computing freedom. Otherwise our computers will eventually no longer be ours.

Load up on usb drives. I mean really when did we suddenly become dependent on cloud services? It's phenomenon that's less than 15 years old.

Won't help me when my computer starts refusing to read copyrighted files because it has decided its real masters are the copyright holders.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by zerocrates »

tyingq wrote: post #38
TT-392 wrote: post #28

"Thanks for helping google keep the web safe" Interesting thing to add in there, how on earth does copyright stuff have anything to do with safety?

Not that I agree with it, but here's the FBI view: "Not only can the violation of intellectual property rights damage the economy, it also poses serious health and safety risks to consumers, and often times, it fuels global organized crime." https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/piracy-ip... No helpful detail on why it's not safe.

Since they went wide with "intellectual property rights" there, the references to health and safety are probably more in the realm of trademark and maybe patent... think counterfeit drugs.

You can probably gin up a copyright example from, I dunno, the DRM system on some medical device or something, though that's obviously not the real focus of their copyright enforcement work.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by slig »

ChicagoBoy11 wrote: post #13

I experienced something similar building an internal tool on GSuite. I had a large file with sequences of 9 digit numbers specific to our use-case, all tied to names of people (employees). Whelp, at one point the tool I was working on stopped working, and it was flagged as apparently containing social security numbers (which I suppose matched the character length). Whelp, on the admin panel, you can get a report of t…

Google is working very hard to make everyone drop their shitty services.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by thomond »

tyingq wrote: post #38
TT-392 wrote: post #28

"Thanks for helping google keep the web safe" Interesting thing to add in there, how on earth does copyright stuff have anything to do with safety?

Not that I agree with it, but here's the FBI view: "Not only can the violation of intellectual property rights damage the economy, it also poses serious health and safety risks to consumers, and often times, it fuels global organized crime." https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/piracy-ip... No helpful detail on why it's not safe.

That's the FBI's general view on IP rights infringement and covers more physical products. You can apply of that to file sharing.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by josephcsible »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #16
jrockway wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How long until cloud providers are forced to scan block devices, so you can't even self-host a file erroneously flagged by the ML? (Actually, how long until this is integrated with the "security engine" in CPUs, so you can't even hide with encryption? Everyone is talking about on-device voice-recognition and CSAM recognition, but no doubt the copyright lobby is going to push hard for this as well.)

It hurts me to even think about this. We're headed towards such a bleak future. The only solution I can think of is to kill copyright in order to save computing freedom. Otherwise our computers will eventually no longer be ours.

Do we need to kill copyright? Couldn't we just kill vigilante enforcement of it? Maybe we should make it the law that if you see a copyright violation, your only legal options are (1) nicely ask the infringer to stop voluntarily, or (2) sue.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by misnome »

onion2k wrote: post #4

If Google has the copyright on "1", they only need to get "0" as well and they'll have everything.

All copyright-infringing files are ~50% 1's, therefore there is a 50% chance of every file with a 1 in being copyright-infringing!

Statistics don't lie, which is presumably why google employs so many of them, to calculate these efficiencies.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by lhorie »

I have a pet theory that all of these recent Google bloopers could be explained easily if you start from the assumption that Google internal incentives promote efforts to cut costs such as storage.

"Garbage" docs, inactive email accounts, less search results etc can all be reasonably explained by a desire to not spend money on storage for "low value" data (i.e. data that is unlikely to be accessed in a way that translates to profit for Google). Users, having been trained to rely on free services and the magic of search to summon stuff, have zero incentives to clean up their digital "pollution", and at some point, something's gotta give.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by matheusmoreira »

babycake wrote: post #50
version_five wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there needs to be more work on open source hardware (and the associated fab capabilities to make what people want) in order to preserve computing freedom. I have no idea how to actually do this, but it feels like it should be prioritized

For sure, but companies didn't win by building a better product. They won because of copyright laws that helped them to enforce their goal of profits. If we want computing freedom, or in other words: consumer rights, then we need to enact laws that are pro-consumer to ensure an open future. Things like being able to repair our devices were taken away (Apple) and brought semi-back with right-to-repair laws (albeit onl…

> Having open source hardware won't stop companies trying to take control away. We already see Microsoft and their SecureBoot problems with Linux. Or maybe they just won't support those open source machines by refusing to deploy their OS or whatever. Then what audience are you gonna have to make that product successful to become the new standard?

We need to get rid of those products and replace them with free software instead. It doesn't even matter if it's better or worse, as long as it's ours. This is the most sensible long term investment since it's the only thing that will truly benefit humanity forever.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by landemva »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #16
jrockway wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How long until cloud providers are forced to scan block devices, so you can't even self-host a file erroneously flagged by the ML? (Actually, how long until this is integrated with the "security engine" in CPUs, so you can't even hide with encryption? Everyone is talking about on-device voice-recognition and CSAM recognition, but no doubt the copyright lobby is going to push hard for this as well.)

It hurts me to even think about this. We're headed towards such a bleak future. The only solution I can think of is to kill copyright in order to save computing freedom. Otherwise our computers will eventually no longer be ours.

The surface is larger than just copyright and includes anything the government can enforce in the name of protecting or preventing ... [children, terrorists, money laundering].

Lobbyists wondering why not slip this into appropriations bill and make MS put this in desktop.

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