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Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Side note: the language selection is stupid on the website. No, I'm not from Germany, and I don't speak German even if it's the closest country to me that you sell laptops in. Also, it's a bad practice to associate flags with languages. Or to give options that don't work after you select them. Otherwise, very nice news!

> Also, it's a bad practice to associate flags with languages

There's even a website for this issue

http://www.flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog/why-flags-do-not-re...

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

#52
This is not related directly to the announcement, but touches on a thing that infuriates me to no end - for some reason the site assumed that because I live in the EU and relatively close to German border, I speak German and presented the site in that language. Despite my high-school teacher's heroic efforts, I can at best understand a few basic phrases. I didn't even know what to click in the cookie pop-up to kindly ask them to not track me.

Language auto detection^W assumption is such an anti-feature.

/rant

edit: I see I am not alone, who got hit by this.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

#53

I've been running NixOS on my Framework for the last few months, and I've been really happy with it. I initially got it so I'd have viable hardware to do osdev on, so learning that they are going to open-source its firmware makes me even more happy.

Seems too good to be true. Reasonable prices, upgradable, no soldered ram. So has it been a reliable Linux laptop, what's the battery life with your options?

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

#55

Really hoping for the laptop's next iteration to have a reverse T for the arrow keys. Otherwise very solid laptop, would be my first non-Mac choice.

This is I don't understand. Why laptop manufacturers neglect probably the most important thing that is the keyboard? Almost every single laptop that comes out these days looks like the keyboard is an afterthought. Why can't I have full size cursor keys? Pg Up, Pg Down, Home, End and few others?

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

#56
post #52

This is not related directly to the announcement, but touches on a thing that infuriates me to no end - for some reason the site assumed that because I live in the EU and relatively close to German border, I speak German and presented the site in that language. Despite my high-school teacher's heroic efforts, I can at best understand a few basic phrases. I didn't even know what to click in the cookie pop-up to kindly…

I'm surprised things like "preferred language" aren't built into HTTP yet, seems to have a natural home in the user-agent corner of that world.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

#57
post #53

I've been running NixOS on my Framework for the last few months, and I've been really happy with it. I initially got it so I'd have viable hardware to do osdev on, so learning that they are going to open-source its firmware makes me even more happy.

Seems too good to be true. Reasonable prices, upgradable, no soldered ram. So has it been a reliable Linux laptop, what's the battery life with your options?

I've been using a Framework laptop for a month on Ubuntu 21.10 and pretty happy with it. Some hiccups but mostly answered by digging through forums.

Battery life in operation is excellent, but it does drain 30% in 8 hours when on suspend which is a bit much. Not a dealbreaker but hope this can be solved.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US English comes to mind, not that middle English is particularly readable.

I was thinking of English as a counter case when I wrote the comment:) Skimming the history section of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language#History , I don't think I would really describe anything before "Early Modern English" (1500-1700) as meaningfully the same language; if you took a modern English-speaker and gave them a sample of Middle English, they wouldn't be able to read it, and if you stuck them i…

> Although in fairness, it does now come down to a semantic argument about what counts as the same language, and I acknowledge that a reasonable person could disagree with my narrower view.

I really enjoy Jamaican patois for this. Arriving there, try as hard as I could...I couldn't understand a single word of it, even though it was ostensibly "English-enough" that I should have been able to. The first 5 days spending time in groups speaking the local language felt like anywhere else that I couldn't understand -- Saudi Arabia, Portugal, Guatemala, etc.

Right around the one week mark, something just 'clicked' and I could understand pretty much all of it as if it were regular English except for the true slang. Really felt like "dialect" on the cusp of become "language". Very cool spot for a language.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

#59

Side note: the language selection is stupid on the website. No, I'm not from Germany, and I don't speak German even if it's the closest country to me that you sell laptops in. Also, it's a bad practice to associate flags with languages. Or to give options that don't work after you select them. Otherwise, very nice news!

I agree that flag != language (British Union flag for English being a prime example), but what is the next best alternative?

We've had two-letter designations for languages for a long time now.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably to hide/protect corporate secrets, or if the firmware integrates proprietary code from a 3rd party it would be difficult to open source for legal reasons.

Also in the case of Wifi/Bluetooth it seems like FCC regulations would make having open firmware difficult due to the fact that it would make it easier to allow end users to broadcast on arbitrary frequencies. This way they have deniability. ...That said, not a subject matter expert so take this with a grain of rock salt.

That feels like a false excuse a manufacturer might make, as it seems plausible enough, but doesn't really hold up to deeper scrutiny. Even wifi chips that have closed firmware usually have a region setting, and there's nothing stopping you from selecting a region that includes frequencies that aren't allowed in your actual region.

Sure, that's not quite the same as allowing completely arbitrary frequencies, but that feels like a distinction that wouldn't matter much when it comes to government regulations.

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