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Re: US Fed – Employee Religious Exception Request Information System

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Post by dragonwriter »

CameronNemo wrote: post #30
foolinaround wrote: post #22

What is the rationale for the state to keep track of the religious preferences of its citizens in this manner? This can be used for nefarious purposes.

I can't defend the state tracking this info, but I definitely asked my employer if they had granted any religious exemptions to their vaccine mandate (we are a small company so I don't think we fall under the federal guidelines). They never responded to me, but they also extended the WFH situation until May after Omicron accelerated.

> I can't defend the state tracking this info,

You can't defend a public employer tracking employee exemption information?

Re: US Fed – Employee Religious Exception Request Information System

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Post by dragonwriter »

The “US Fed" part of the headline is confusing. Its notice in the Federal Register of the D.C. Pretrial Services Agency establishing a tracking system for employee information. While it is a component of the federal government, it's not tracking information about general public, but of people who work for the agency, relative to exemption from a workplace requirement.

Re: US Fed – Employee Religious Exception Request Information System

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Post by merlincorey »

arcticbull wrote: post #49
merlincorey wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In other words, the only vaccine side effects possible after a month or so are a strict subset of covid side effects. I'm curious how you reconcile that statement with the various reports of women having way too much menstruation or way too little for several months after their shots. In a recent article about a study from Boston University[0], the researcher believes that under six months after vaccination would a…

The study author on that page says: > ... there’s no evidence that the vaccine has any impact on menstruation, fertility, any of these reproductive outcomes. This is an interesting read, and the folks interviewed run the PRESTO NIH-funded study which tracks all aspects of pregnancy and menstruation. They say they heard a bunch of anecdotes, have some theories on what could cause this (if it in fact exists) - but that…

My point isn't whether or not there is yet scientific evidence of vaccines causing an impact on menstruation, as opposed to the anecdotal evidence mentioned in the article and by myself above.

My point is that scientific researchers seem to look at timescales of 6 months for short term side effects rather than 1 month the GP seems to believe is a hard cut off for short term side effects.

Re: US Fed – Employee Religious Exception Request Information System

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Post by dragonwriter »

LinuxBender wrote: post #24
foolinaround wrote: post #22

What is the rationale for the state to keep track of the religious preferences of its citizens in this manner? This can be used for nefarious purposes.

Not to mention this should not even be required given the supreme court struct down the vaccine mandate for everything except medicare/medicaid facilities. [1] [Edit] Apparently federal facilities were not challenged. So only struck down for businesses. [1] - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-supreme-court-blocks-bid...

> Not to mention this should not even be required given the supreme court struct down the vaccine mandate for everything except medicare/medicaid facilities

False.

There were at least three federal mandates:

(1) Federal workforce, (2) Federally-funded healthcare facilities, (3) Large businesses

In recent Supreme Court decisions in cases challenging #2 and #3, #3 was struck down and #2 was upheld, #1 was not challenged in those cases.

This database is concerned with #1, since it's an employee database for an agency within the federal government (hence why the employee database has a federal register notice.)

Re: US Fed – Employee Religious Exception Request Information System

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Post by sebow »

vineyardmike wrote: post #29
imperio59 wrote: post #15

Quoted post unavailable.

I agree that the register is a bad and dangerous road but can we all at least recognize that “religion” is actually “politics” in this case. We’re identifying blind trump loyalists who were tricked by the political system into choosing politics over public health.

Since when refusing the vaccine is equivalent to being a "trumpist"?

In case you're not aware of it, the biggest group in US who is "vaccine-hesitant" are higher-educated individuals with PhDs(and for reference the least hesitant one is individuals with masters).Though it shifts a bit over time, people with PhDs have never been exclusively right-wing, let alone trump loyalists.Usually the opposite actually.

[0] - https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/americans-with-phds-are-mo... [1] - https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v...

Re: US Fed – Employee Religious Exception Request Information System

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Post by dragonwriter »

antihipocrat wrote: post #6

If anyone can offer a reason as to why this system is beneficial to public health, safety or security, I'd love to hear it. I can only see a detriment to each if this law was put into effect.

> If anyone can offer a reason as to why this system is beneficial to public health, safety or security

Because without it, the PSA can't know which of its employees do and do not have approved exemption requests.

> I can only see a detriment to each if this law was put into effect.

It's not a law, it's an internal employer data system for tracking workforce (employer, contractor volunteer, etc.) exemption requests under existing workforce rules.

Re: US Fed – Employee Religious Exception Request Information System

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Post by LinuxBender »

dragonwriter wrote: post #54
LinuxBender wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention this should not even be required given the supreme court struct down the vaccine mandate for everything except medicare/medicaid facilities. [1] [Edit] Apparently federal facilities were not challenged. So only struck down for businesses. [1] - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-supreme-court-blocks-bid...

> Not to mention this should not even be required given the supreme court struct down the vaccine mandate for everything except medicare/medicaid facilities False. There were at least three federal mandates: (1) Federal workforce, (2) Federally-funded healthcare facilities, (3) Large businesses In recent Supreme Court decisions in cases challenging #2 and #3, #3 was struck down and #2 was upheld, #1 was not challenge…

Thankyou for the clarification and correcting my misunderstanding.

Re: US Fed – Employee Religious Exception Request Information System

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Post by merlincorey »

Ancapistani wrote: post #41
vineyardmike wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it’s not. We’ve had mandated vaccines forever and no one cared until it became political during covid. People made it political and people are avoiding vaccines for politic. blaming it protecting freedoms i stead harming public health for politics is a less morally corrupt stance to take.

> We’ve had mandated vaccines forever That’s news to me.

If you or your parents want you to go to Public School in America, most places require vaccinations unless there is a medical exception.

Religious exceptions in many places would lead to home schooling because the Public School is not required to accept your child.

The CDC has a nice polar graph displaying the state-by-state exemptions for Public School: https://www.cdc.gov/phlp/publications/topic/vaccinations.htm...

Re: US Fed – Employee Religious Exception Request Information System

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Post by ceph_ »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #35
hash872 wrote: post #13

If I were designing a constitutional system for a new country, I'd certainly include freedom of religion as one of the basic rights- while also codifying that there are no religious exemptions to any laws. Regardless of your faith, you are required to follow the same laws as your fellow citizens, without exception. Religious exemptions should not exist. One of my issues with it is that 'religion' can mean whatever yo…

You are straw-manning the argument as being simpler than it really is. Moderna for example states in their documentation that their vaccine was tested and actively developed with fetus cell lines that were taken (likely from abortion) far back in the 1960s, making taking that vaccine a possible complicity with "Thou shalt not kill." As an example of one argument. My point is that it is not as simple as you think.

Under that same argument, those people should avoid goods transported by truck because trucks kill thousands of people per year and they would be complicit.

You're just trying to keep up the lie that it's about religion at all. There are plenty of people in this thread openly admitting it's not about that, and they just don't feel like they should have to get the vax.

Re: US Fed – Employee Religious Exception Request Information System

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Post by dragonwriter »

antihipocrat wrote: post #39
hash872 wrote: post #13

If I were designing a constitutional system for a new country, I'd certainly include freedom of religion as one of the basic rights- while also codifying that there are no religious exemptions to any laws. Regardless of your faith, you are required to follow the same laws as your fellow citizens, without exception. Religious exemptions should not exist. One of my issues with it is that 'religion' can mean whatever yo…

Except that this law isn't preventing religious exceptions, it's a law to identify individuals who are claiming such.

> Except that this law

It isn't a law.

> it's a law to identify individuals who are claiming such.

No, it's an internal data system to track information on employee exemptions. So the employer can look up that someone claimed and was granted an exemption. (The regulation creating the requirement and the rules for exemptions already exists, this is just one agency creating the internal data system to track it's employee information necessary to apply the rules to it's workforce.)

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