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Re: Jan 6 committee subpoenas Meta, Google, Reddit etc. after 'inadequate responses'

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Post by shrimpx »

umvi wrote: post #2

The implication from the committee is that these companies should have monitored and suppressed/censored their users harder? Is the committee looking for a scapegoat or something?

They’re trying to find out if Facebook intentionally bypassed their own policies and allowed election propaganda to run wild because it was to their benefit. (E.g., a trump coup would have been good for Facebook.) Basically are they stupid or evil. And if they’re evil, is there a larger conspiracy involving other people of interest?

Re: Jan 6 committee subpoenas Meta, Google, Reddit etc. after 'inadequate responses'

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Post by commandlinefan »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #21
IgorPartola wrote: post #19

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How to misunderstand the situation 101: bring the first amendment into the discussion when that’s not what the discussion is about. Let me break this down for you: you host a weekly poker night. My buddies and I come and during these nights plan a crime. We than carry out a crime and get arrested. The investigators come to you and ask “what did those guys talk about at your poker nights?” You say “poker stuff”. They…

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There’s actually video of capitol police waving them in.

Re: Jan 6 committee subpoenas Meta, Google, Reddit etc. after 'inadequate responses'

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Post by oneoff786 »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #42
oneoff786 wrote: post #25

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The rioters came fairly close to getting to the senators. Suppose the mob found Nancy Pelosi? I think it is probable she would have been killed. That doesn’t mean they control the us government. But it’s non trivial.

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> Remind me what the Secret Service exists for again,

Protecting the president. The secret service does not protect senators

> and who got the lawmakers out of there before the rioters came.

Capitol Hill police I believe.

> Maybe Democracy would have been closer to dying

I’m pretty sure I explicitly said that wasn’t on the table.

My point was that the rioters got very close. That is, one door away, then lured to other areas by a clever guard. I think it is fully plausible that they would have assassinated democratic political leaders if given the chance. Not ALL of the rioters, but certainly some.

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Post by ng12 »

DerpyBaby123 wrote: post #45
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #37

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Wow... so you're saying our democracy could be overthrown if you, A) disrupt Congress and B) cause a day's worth of delays. Amazing stability of our government that.

I didn't say that at all. However, taking control of the government is exactly how coups are executed, please look into it if you haven't.

Yes coups require explicit support of the military and/or populace. They had neither.

Re: Jan 6 committee subpoenas Meta, Google, Reddit etc. after 'inadequate responses'

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Post by lapsedacademic »

yucky wrote: post #44
oneoff786 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rioters came fairly close to getting to the senators. Suppose the mob found Nancy Pelosi? I think it is probable she would have been killed. That doesn’t mean they control the us government. But it’s non trivial.

>I think it is probable she would have been killed. What leads you to call that probable? I don't think it's impossible, after all it's only been a few years since that Bernie supporter shot at all those Republican congressmen, and Scalise almost did die. But that guy was actually armed and went with that purpose, these goofs appear to have been unarmed protesters who turned into a mob. I know you don't need a gun to…

> What leads you to call that probable?

Because people with guns who said they wanted to kill her entered the capitol with their guns and started looking for her.

E.g., from one charging document: "Thinking about heading over to Pelosi CUNT’s speech and putting a bullet in her noggin on Live TV [purple devil emoji]."

Charges: Possession of Unregistered Firearms, Possession of Unregistered Ammunition, Possession of Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Devices.

So... he had a gun, said he wanted to kill pelosi, and then broke into a federal building and started looking for her.

He was probably just trolling and this is all a big over-reaction, right? /s

> unarmed

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

> that Bernie supporter...

the main different here is that I don't recall there being a systemic effort to defend him and explain that it's really no big deal.

Re: Jan 6 committee subpoenas Meta, Google, Reddit etc. after 'inadequate responses'

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Post by DerpyBaby123 »

yucky wrote: post #44
oneoff786 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rioters came fairly close to getting to the senators. Suppose the mob found Nancy Pelosi? I think it is probable she would have been killed. That doesn’t mean they control the us government. But it’s non trivial.

>I think it is probable she would have been killed. What leads you to call that probable? I don't think it's impossible, after all it's only been a few years since that Bernie supporter shot at all those Republican congressmen, and Scalise almost did die. But that guy was actually armed and went with that purpose, these goofs appear to have been unarmed protesters who turned into a mob. I know you don't need a gun to…

I agree that it may be probable, on the evidence that the angry crowd built a gallows and was chanting 'Hang Mike Pence'

[0]https://www.ourquadcities.com/news/national-news/capitol-mob...

Re: Jan 6 committee subpoenas Meta, Google, Reddit etc. after 'inadequate responses'

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Post by BryantD »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #17

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There's a bit of definition slippage in this comment.

When people assert that democracy was in danger, they don't mean that it was in danger solely from the rioters. In general (and I'm sure there are exceptions to this), they mean it was in danger because of the Trump administration.

So no, this assertion does not imply that "taking control of the US is as easy as just sending a regiment over by boat."

Re: Jan 6 committee subpoenas Meta, Google, Reddit etc. after 'inadequate responses'

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Post by oneoff786 »

yucky wrote: post #44
oneoff786 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rioters came fairly close to getting to the senators. Suppose the mob found Nancy Pelosi? I think it is probable she would have been killed. That doesn’t mean they control the us government. But it’s non trivial.

>I think it is probable she would have been killed. What leads you to call that probable? I don't think it's impossible, after all it's only been a few years since that Bernie supporter shot at all those Republican congressmen, and Scalise almost did die. But that guy was actually armed and went with that purpose, these goofs appear to have been unarmed protesters who turned into a mob. I know you don't need a gun to…

I think a mob breaking into a guarded building is well above the threshold for violence personally. They were vocal about looking for her. They hated her. You’re welcome to think otherwise.

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Post by whimsicalism »

oneoff786 wrote: post #25
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #17

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The rioters came fairly close to getting to the senators. Suppose the mob found Nancy Pelosi? I think it is probable she would have been killed. That doesn’t mean they control the us government. But it’s non trivial.

> The rioters came fairly close to getting to the senators. Suppose the mob found Nancy Pelosi?

"Fairly close" to me would likely involve more of the rioters being shot. The fact that so few were shot indicates that the state was largely keeping their gloves on, which they would not if there was any risk of a senator actually being killed.

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Post by Bhilai »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #17

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Funny how you think this is a political theater but you do not acknowledge the anger stroking speeches from Trump and appearances of Republican senators on Fox news claiming widespread election fraud and forcing Pence and congress in not certifying election as not a serious matter.
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