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Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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I don't want to go all SJW on you guys, amazing work, but can you try to make sure there's an inclusive array of starting faces please? Talking about things like skin tones, thanks!

Honestly asking, isn't this stuff usually Japanese characters? I dunno if theres even "data" they could use for other skin tones

Well, there is (or rather was) "ganguro" at least, which appeared in mangas an animes occasionally, too. Not sure how many people would be getting offended by that these days, though.

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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post #50

This is extremely impressive. It’s the first GAN I have seen which lets you tweak the result in a meaningful way rather than being just random. I think the speed that GANs have come in to the world has really shaken people up and it’s hard to process what this all means and what it will result in. Especially the ones which generate based on real people. But the feeling this gives me, is what happens for the future of…

We have been here before, and we certainly will again. It was not so long ago computers bet humans at chess, yet people still play.

Yeah I totally get this is the same thing that has happened so many times before. But at least for chess, it was never a practical thing and was a competition. Like how the existence of aimbots does not ruin a game as long as you are playing against other humans.

For art it feels a bit different since it’s not competitive and more a practicality thing. Perhaps art will shift from placing individual strokes on an image and move to making creative directions for AI to resolve in to an image or enable more people to create labor intensive works like animation.

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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post #50

This is extremely impressive. It’s the first GAN I have seen which lets you tweak the result in a meaningful way rather than being just random. I think the speed that GANs have come in to the world has really shaken people up and it’s hard to process what this all means and what it will result in. Especially the ones which generate based on real people. But the feeling this gives me, is what happens for the future of…

We have been here before, and we certainly will again. It was not so long ago computers bet humans at chess, yet people still play.

Or with the internet , Linux and open source. Suddenly you could downloads 1000s of apps, most much better, what I ever could do byself.

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

#56
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly asking, isn't this stuff usually Japanese characters? I dunno if theres even "data" they could use for other skin tones

On the other hand, you get a full spectrum of eye and hair colour.

In Japanese anime, ethnically Japanese characters are regularly represented with unusual hair and eye colors, to help distinguish them from each-other. Including e.g. purple eyes or blue hair not naturally seen on humans.

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

#57

This is extremely impressive. It’s the first GAN I have seen which lets you tweak the result in a meaningful way rather than being just random. I think the speed that GANs have come in to the world has really shaken people up and it’s hard to process what this all means and what it will result in. Especially the ones which generate based on real people. But the feeling this gives me, is what happens for the future of…

Well, digital art already allows you to copy/paste a layer and stuff that traditional art never allowed for. Imagine copy pasting a statue.

This is sort of the same thing on steroids. You can copy/remix previous art by feeding them into a ML model in training mode, and it will be massively utilized the same way ctrl-c ctrl-v is used, but it's a part of the toolset of art creation, not replacing it.

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

#58
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I LOVE that "horror". Reminds me of some of the art I've seen on album/single covers. Any chance of letting people access that kind of intermediate step? (Though I know it's a niche as hell use case).

Ah yes, the fine line between charming anime character and lovecraftian horror There was such popular demand for these "horror" images that we made them part of the generation in V2! If you refresh enough on the webpage, you can find some horrors!

For anyone looking to do this, here's some I made:

https://i.imgur.com/1V1wPMC.jpg

I rolled around 40 times on the first stage and chose a horror. I skipped the second stage and didn't roll on the third stage, just chose one of the presented details. I skipped the fourth stage because I rolled maybe ~200 times and only saw around 1-2 comparable horrors.

https://i.imgur.com/1vBeg1j.jpg

I rolled around 100 times on the first stage and saw about 3-4 horrors before choosing a horror. I rolled about 70 times on the second stage, didn't find anything interesting, just chose a normal color palette. I rolled maybe 80 times on the third stage and chose a horror, though the results were pretty consistently horrors. I rolled around 60 times on the fourth stage and saw about 1-2 other horrors before choosing a horror. Also, here's what it looked like after the third stage and before finishing the fourth stage:

https://i.imgur.com/ditm8nF.jpg

It's possible the third and fourth stages can produce horrors from normal faces, I didn't check.

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

#59
This is mind-blowingly good. You keep pushing the state of the art further to the point of broad applicability. It won't be long until everyone can be an artist without putting in the ten thousand hours of drudgery of training their muscles, hand-eye coordination, structure of shape and perspective, etc. I can't wait!

Do you have a team page? How many of you are there? Do you work with gwern and nearcyan? Are you going to raise for this? (You should totally scale this!)

Great work, and keep it up!

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

#60

This is extremely impressive. It’s the first GAN I have seen which lets you tweak the result in a meaningful way rather than being just random. I think the speed that GANs have come in to the world has really shaken people up and it’s hard to process what this all means and what it will result in. Especially the ones which generate based on real people. But the feeling this gives me, is what happens for the future of…

Haha, this is something that constantly ponder, while I am developing this product.

Though, the conclusion I've come to is that that hand-drawn art will always meaningful for humans, because it is born of the human experience.

An interesting example is the invention of photography, which at its time, was very good at doing the thing artists were doing back then (capturing likenesses)

But photography didn't replace art: instead, artists now use photographs to be more expressive, convincing, and make better art. In tandem, the widespread adoption of photography meant that more average folks could get their likenesses taken!

Personally, my skills as an artist has improved by quite a bit, after launching this product, purely because observing it offers some fascinating insights into how anime is created!

I hope that as an industry, we'll find better ways to create, and what we know to be the "best" art today will be even better in the future!

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