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UCLA Study Finds Laughter in 65 Species, from Rats to Cows

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For those wondering which animals… > They found such vocal play behavior documented in at least 65 species. That list includes a variety of primates, domestic cows and dogs, foxes, seals, and mongooses, as well as three bird species, including parakeets and Australian magpies. Quote from the UCLA Newroom article referenced in the OpenCulture article, https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/animals-laugh-too-ucla-an...

Since this is so broadly spread among species I wonder if there are other forms of laughing that aren’t easily detected if you don’t know about it. Does some form of muscle spasms occur in all of these animals? Closely watching my cat now.

> Since this is so broadly spread among species I wonder if there are other forms of laughing that aren’t easily detected if you don’t know about it

Yes. As per the original research article, some of the vocalisations are outside the range of human hearing.

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There are often discussions about what makes humans special and things like self-awareness, humour, sarcasm, tool usage, ethics etc are brought forward. I think there are hardly any fundamental differences between humans and other animals. We've merely reached an intelligence threshold that allowed us to develop better languages and writing and that means knowledge can be collected and passed on much much better.

Laughter is yet another trait some might see as typically human, yet here we are.

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My pet theory is that laughter isn't "just" a play signal, but a teaching method in social animals where the young learn from adults.

Slapstick is popular for a reason. We laugh instinctively at others' accidents because being laughed at provides a negative reinforcement for the individual that is the object of ridicule.

Being laughed at is not pleasant, at all. It's not "fun" or "play". It hurts. Most people will do anything to avoid being laughed at, especially in public or social situations.

That's... the point! Being laughed at is negative reinforcement, teaching us what not to do. The reason even our friends and family will hurt us emotionally in this manner when we make a mistake is not because they're cruel or mean, but because this is the mechanism the human species uses to make sure every tribe member learns the lessons they need to learn to keep each other safe.

That's why we all think it's funny if someone slips on a banana peel. We point and laugh as the victim is crying in pain.

We don't think it's funny if a banana tree falls on someone. We don't laugh. We run over to help immediately.

In the first case the person wasn't paying attention and needed their inattention corrected. They were at fault and needed to be taught how to walk safely, like a young child.[1]

In the second case they were not at fault and laughing wouldn't help them improve. They just need help.

If we didn't find laughing at silly people pleasant, we wouldn't do it, and then... people would learn less and make more mistakes. They -- our children or cousins -- might even die or accidentally kill other tribe members killed through their ineptitude. Hunting is lethally dangerous. Mistakes must be punished. Laughing minimises mistakes in our genetic kin and tribe members on whom our own reproductive fitness depends. Hence, laughing would be highly selected for in intelligent social creates like apes and especially humans.

PS: It's a fun exercise to think of more scenarios where you would laugh at someone or similar scenarios where you wouldn't. You'll find that much of the time you would laugh, the person you're laughing at would have probably learned a lesson from that that's beneficial to you. (e.g.: would keep you safer if they made less mistakes in the workplace around dangerous tools.)

[1] Young children are especially hilarious to adults precisely because they make so many mistakes that need correcting! We laugh less at adults because there's a delicate balance between hurting people emotionally versus the expected benefit of the lesson being taught. Similarly, senior people will laugh at the mistakes of junior people, but the other way around is very rare.

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There are often discussions about what makes humans special and things like self-awareness, humour, sarcasm, tool usage, ethics etc are brought forward. I think there are hardly any fundamental differences between humans and other animals. We've merely reached an intelligence threshold that allowed us to develop better languages and writing and that means knowledge can be collected and passed on much much better. Lau…

“Man is the only animal that blushes. Or needs to.” -- Mark Twain

Re: UCLA Study Finds Laughter in 65 Species, from Rats to Cows

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For those wondering which animals… > They found such vocal play behavior documented in at least 65 species. That list includes a variety of primates, domestic cows and dogs, foxes, seals, and mongooses, as well as three bird species, including parakeets and Australian magpies. Quote from the UCLA Newroom article referenced in the OpenCulture article, https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/animals-laugh-too-ucla-an...

So in summary: primates, social mammals, domesticated mammals and vocal bird species?

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There are often discussions about what makes humans special and things like self-awareness, humour, sarcasm, tool usage, ethics etc are brought forward. I think there are hardly any fundamental differences between humans and other animals. We've merely reached an intelligence threshold that allowed us to develop better languages and writing and that means knowledge can be collected and passed on much much better. Lau…

> there are hardly any fundamental differences between humans and other animals

This is a compact and ex post facto unsurprising list. Primates, social mammals, domesticated mammals and certain birds. The line between us and social apex predators (cats, dogs and certain birds, all of whom our ancestors allied with ages ago) are blurry. The line between us and most species are stark.

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There are often discussions about what makes humans special and things like self-awareness, humour, sarcasm, tool usage, ethics etc are brought forward. I think there are hardly any fundamental differences between humans and other animals. We've merely reached an intelligence threshold that allowed us to develop better languages and writing and that means knowledge can be collected and passed on much much better. Lau…

> there are hardly any fundamental differences between humans and other animals This is a compact and ex post facto unsurprising list. Primates, social mammals, domesticated mammals and certain birds. The line between us and social apex predators (cats, dogs and certain birds, all of whom our ancestors allied with ages ago) are blurry. The line between us and most species are stark.

Wow. You've just given me a vision of a future where we know enough about other animals that we've been forced to give up on human exceptionalism, so we fall back to insisting on social-apex-predator exceptionalism instead

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> there are hardly any fundamental differences between humans and other animals This is a compact and ex post facto unsurprising list. Primates, social mammals, domesticated mammals and certain birds. The line between us and social apex predators (cats, dogs and certain birds, all of whom our ancestors allied with ages ago) are blurry. The line between us and most species are stark.

Wow. You've just given me a vision of a future where we know enough about other animals that we've been forced to give up on human exceptionalism, so we fall back to insisting on social-apex-predator exceptionalism instead

If we can’t acknowledge that complex tool wielding and laughter are potentially galaxies apart in terms of abundance, that future looks grim.

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Absolutely. Nevertheless, and to nitpick, "beauty" and "positivity" are not isomorphic.

I just have to say that i have had a word stuck on the tip of my tongue for an embarrassingly long time, maybe six months now. I’ve had occasion to use it several times recently on a project but it was just stuck wherever words get lost. I’m cruising HN in a post completely unrelated to what I’m doing and there it is, in living color: isomorphic. I could feel the tension release in my brain as it sunk in. Thank you!

Now I’m looking for the word for the phenomenon that you’ve described and we all can relate too!
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