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Re: noDRM's GitHub repo DeDRM_tools is disabled due to Readium's DMCA notice

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Post by wtallis »

R0b0t1 wrote: post #30
judge2020 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Section 1201 also makes it illegal to circumvent DRM measures or manufacture/import/provide tools that do. > (2)No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that (A)is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work prote…

You're allowed to circumvent if you own a license to the protected work. So, implementing or even cracking a DRM scheme is not enough to take it down.

> You're allowed to circumvent if you own a license to the protected work.

No, you're not—unless you fall under one of the several exceptions that are all far narrower than "if you own a license". Some of those exceptions are spelled out in the statute, and others are made on a temporary basis by the Librarian of Congress.

Re: noDRM's GitHub repo DeDRM_tools is disabled due to Readium's DMCA notice

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Post by judge2020 »

stefan_ wrote: post #17
judge2020 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Section 1201 also makes it illegal to circumvent DRM measures or manufacture/import/provide tools that do. > (2)No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that (A)is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work prote…

Implementing a DRM scheme is not circumventing it. No circumvention here, you still need the password.

Didn’t realize that, but I am still interested in whether or not a ‘DMCA notice’ can be used for the entire statute or just in removing duplicate copies of infringing content.

Re: noDRM's GitHub repo DeDRM_tools is disabled due to Readium's DMCA notice

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Post by FpUser »

reaperducer wrote: post #21
kstrauser wrote: post #6

I don’t buy content I can’t format shift. It’s not that I share it in ways that are against the law, but that if I buy a book, I might want to read it on any number of devices I personally own. If I can’t do that, I’m not buying it. Period. Also, don’t bother replying to me with any “but you’re licensing it…” nonsense. No. Look up an ebook on Amazon and you’ll see a “Buy” button next to it, with no mention of a licen…

Look up an ebook on Amazon and you’ll see a “Buy” button next to it Just went to Amazon and tried. It says "Deliver to..." with a list of devices. No "buy" button.

Did the same and clearly see "buy now".

Re: noDRM's GitHub repo DeDRM_tools is disabled due to Readium's DMCA notice

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Post by wtallis »

stefan_ wrote: post #17
judge2020 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Section 1201 also makes it illegal to circumvent DRM measures or manufacture/import/provide tools that do. > (2)No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that (A)is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work prote…

Implementing a DRM scheme is not circumventing it. No circumvention here, you still need the password.

I think you need the password and authorization from the copyright owner. The law provides this definition:

> a technological measure “effectively controls access to a work” if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work.

DeDRM tools are obviously not the ordinary course of operation for the DRM system chosen by the copyright owner, and using (for a different purpose than intended) a decryption key that the copyright owner has taken deliberate steps to hide from the consumer stretches any notion of "with the authority of the copyright owner". Copyright licenses usually come with strings attached, especially with regards to what kinds of uses are being authorized.

Re: noDRM's GitHub repo DeDRM_tools is disabled due to Readium's DMCA notice

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Post by [deleted] »

kstrauser wrote: post #6

I don’t buy content I can’t format shift. It’s not that I share it in ways that are against the law, but that if I buy a book, I might want to read it on any number of devices I personally own. If I can’t do that, I’m not buying it. Period. Also, don’t bother replying to me with any “but you’re licensing it…” nonsense. No. Look up an ebook on Amazon and you’ll see a “Buy” button next to it, with no mention of a licen…

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Re: noDRM's GitHub repo DeDRM_tools is disabled due to Readium's DMCA notice

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Post by brewdad »

reaperducer wrote: post #21
kstrauser wrote: post #6

I don’t buy content I can’t format shift. It’s not that I share it in ways that are against the law, but that if I buy a book, I might want to read it on any number of devices I personally own. If I can’t do that, I’m not buying it. Period. Also, don’t bother replying to me with any “but you’re licensing it…” nonsense. No. Look up an ebook on Amazon and you’ll see a “Buy” button next to it, with no mention of a licen…

Look up an ebook on Amazon and you’ll see a “Buy” button next to it Just went to Amazon and tried. It says "Deliver to..." with a list of devices. No "buy" button.

Look above that to the button you actually click. Mine says "Buy now with 1-click"

Re: noDRM's GitHub repo DeDRM_tools is disabled due to Readium's DMCA notice

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Post by caf »

Aerroon wrote: post #38
kmeisthax wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, the thing about circumvention exceptions is that... 1. There is no general exception for format shifting. If there was, DMCA 1201 would have zero legal weight. 2. Even if there was, it would not materially impact the legal status of this DMCA 512 takedown request This is because DMCA 1201 circumvention exceptions only apply to half of the law. Section 1201 renders two different acts illegal: 1. You can't circumve…

> 2. You can't tell anyone how to circumvent DRM, regardless of purpose. This is the sort of violation being alleged here. I'm curious: why would this be the case? This is a restriction of speech that doesn't contain copyrighted content enacted by a copyright law. This seems like charging someone, by using an anti-burglary law, because they taught someone else how to pick a lock .

Yes, that is exactly what this is like, and if this was 1998 you could have joined us all in a rousing debate about the chilling implications of all this.

Re: noDRM's GitHub repo DeDRM_tools is disabled due to Readium's DMCA notice

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Post by wtallis »

judge2020 wrote: post #52
stefan_ wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Implementing a DRM scheme is not circumventing it. No circumvention here, you still need the password.

Didn’t realize that, but I am still interested in whether or not a ‘DMCA notice’ can be used for the entire statute or just in removing duplicate copies of infringing content.

The DMCA notice process is specifically about copyright infringement. The circumvention prohibited by chapter 12, section 1201 is not included in the definition of copyright infringement provided in chapter 5, and chapter 12 defines its own set of remedies for violations (both civil and criminal). So it seems completely unjustified to use the formal DMCA notice process for this kind of complaint—there's no copyright infringement here, so there's no need for a takedown process that protects online providers from being liable for their users' infringing activities.

Re: noDRM's GitHub repo DeDRM_tools is disabled due to Readium's DMCA notice

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Post by lobocinza »

tadfisher wrote: post #11

Damn. I rely on this software to read ebooks on my Remarkable tablet. I do this because I like giving at least a few pennies of royalty percentage to the author, and as far as I understand it, it's legal on my end to circumvent DRM for the sole purpose of interoperability for my legally-purchased content. Of course, if they really don't want my money, there's always libgen.

This might impact on availability of new titles on Libgen.

Re: noDRM's GitHub repo DeDRM_tools is disabled due to Readium's DMCA notice

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Post by jethro_tell »

DarkmSparks wrote: post #33

Personally I'm actually of the opinion that people should just forget about working around DRM preventing legal access to content and just forget about DRM encumbered content altogether. Having work arounds adds value to otherwise worthless file formats. Dont support it, dont recommend it. dont even talk about it other than to say "meh, DRM'd you couldnt pay me enough to use it". Quite an extreme stance I know, but t…

What really sucks is that there are authors whos work I want to support but who have chosen (or more likely their publisher has chosen) to us a DRMd format.

I find that frustrating but a lot of that has to do with the contract that the author signed to be able to write the book in the first place.

I wish I could just skip all DRM free content but that is not the world I find myself in.

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