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How to quit like a boss

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Re: How to quit like a boss

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"Don't hate the player, hate the game". The game in California is "at will employment". I don't know about other industries, but most tech firms will lay you off with 0 days of notice if they no longer need your services, for example, to save money. On the other hand, loyalty to people may or may not be worthwhile - this very much depends on the people and your experience may be drastically different from everyone el…

Agreed. Even if you have a contract with x weeks notice period, breaching the contract is a legal move(penalty may vary).

I had a non-standard 1 month notice period in my contract(normal is 2 weeks). I let them know I'm leaving in two weeks. They mentioned the notice period but I held my ground. They folded and 2 weeks was plenty to handover my work.

Re: How to quit like a boss

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Eh... kind of? Like, I don't disagree that there are reasonable points here, but: > Quitting should never be a surprise for your boss > What’s the worst that can happen? Not a total surprise, but in many environments even hinting that you're looking to leave will... greatly increase the urgency of your search. They might not terminate you outright (or they may), but it's gonna make the rest of your time there a lot l…

I once gave clear indications that I was considering joining a startup in hopes that the company could start looking for my replacement. I wasn't treated any differently and carried on as usual until I gave my notice.

Much later, after the startup failed I learned that those months of knowing that I'd likely be leaving and there was little they could do about it was a very terrible time for the higher up dev vp/cto/whatever. My team lead was all fine with it. So the lesson I learned is that it's not the thought that counts.

[It was ironic/unfortunate when I came back for a short term contract and got hired-away before completion on accident by a thinly-veiled coding contest.]

Re: How to quit like a boss

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I think the very first sentiment is the most universal one: Your quitting should not be a surprise to your manager. Just like year-end review (for those companies that have it) should not be a surprise to the employee - feedback should be continuous. Similarly, if your (rational, to another posters point) manager's reaction is one of complete shock and surprise, it may be a sign you two weren't communicating sufficie…

The assumption here is that the employee leaving the company was due to some problems that could not be solved after careful discussion with the manager, skip-level etc. But leaving a company can also happen because another company offers you 50% more money or a different role, or you just feel like changing. For any employee, including managers, directors and up—there is only one thing to remember: when the company…

> when the company intends to let you go, they don't ask for your opinion. Two-week notice is professional and more than enough

American culture is so bizarre.

Here in the UK notice (in both directions) is usually contractually 1 month after 6 months, sometimes up to 3 months. If they really want to get rid of you they can pay you to job seek full-time for a few months, which is great. In practice, you get several months of relaxed handover.

After 2 years you get statutory protection and can't be fired, only made redundant, which comes with 1 week notice per year worked.

Re: How to quit like a boss

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Based on my experience not giving too much notice is good advice.

In one job, I gave a months notice to leave for a startup. Just before I left, some extra urgent work came in and I was retained for a couple of months as a contractor to avoid leaving a key client and my former employer in a lurch. It actually benefitted the startup that I was able to incrementally transition.

Re: How to quit like a boss

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know of a case where the manager actually called the INS after the employee left. Protect yourself and your family first. (I'm a manager myself.)

INS?

Immigration. When you're in the US on a Visa (maybe not all of them?), you need to have a job or you risk getting deported.

Re: How to quit like a boss

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post #6

Honestly, it's really simple: two weeks and that's it. Been there 2 years and haven't gotten a raise/promotion? 2 weeks. Been there 10 years and are bored/didn't get what you want? 2 weeks. Don't fall over yourself helping the company. Chances are they are going to forget you in 3 months anyway.

Bad advice.

I hate generalities.

Last time I left a firm, there was 12 months notice (and the decision was mutual). That was the right choice for both sides.

The organization I'm working at right now, it's not uncommon to give years of notice, mostly heading for retirement.

Most tech companies are definitely two weeks, but that's far from the universe.

Re: How to quit like a boss

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There's a typo in the article's headline. It should read:

"How Your Boss Would Like You to Quit"

I've always found the sociology of work fascinating, and how it can vary so much from industry to industry. When I read statements like:

> Your team trusted you and depended on you. It’s unethical to screw them over because they’re not paying you any more.

I wonder what their world view is, and why they think you're screwing them over and not the manager/company screwing them over. I see this often in society where there is a large imbalance of power: The weak turn on the weak rather than turn on those in power.

> Again, it’s unethical!

Leaving the team at short notice is unethical? You may want to look into how such a notion came into place, and who it benefits more.

Similarly, I often call out people at work who start throwing the words "professionalism" or "unprofessional" around. What do they think it means and why do they think that? It is fascinating.

There is some good stuff in the article. While I do believe one should treat the management and company well if they treat you well, I also tell people that they should never forget that if they can drop you at no notice, you don't owe them any more than that. Staying 2 weeks or longer is a courtesy, and not a sign of professionalism.

Just today got an email from a coworker who moved to another company some years ago. Her manager who she got along with very well recently jumped ship to another company, and her life is miserable under the new manager. Even if you have a great manager, always remember that they can (and probably will) leave. Plan your career accordingly.

Re: How to quit like a boss

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

INS?

Immigration. When you're in the US on a Visa (maybe not all of them?), you need to have a job or you risk getting deported.

Thats weird, you still get ~ 60 days to find a new job. In case you dont have any lined up.

Re: How to quit like a boss

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post #57

There's a typo in the article's headline. It should read: "How Your Boss Would Like You to Quit" I've always found the sociology of work fascinating, and how it can vary so much from industry to industry. When I read statements like: > Your team trusted you and depended on you. It’s unethical to screw them over because they’re not paying you any more. I wonder what their world view is, and why they think you're screw…

Sort of. I think everyone should read "How to win friends and influence people" by Dale Carnegie. I think in any interaction, if you want to maximize your success, you have to approach it from the frame of reference of the person you are talking to. Put yourself in their shoes, and think about what they care about, what they value, and then whatever you want to do, express it to them with reference to their perspective.

This is especially true for hard conversations (like firing someone, or leaving a company, etc etc). Note that understanding and getting into their shoes does not mean bending over backwards to do it their way; you can still do things your way (or find a compromise between the two), but you have to convey that you understand their perspective and (ideally) how what you are doing can be beneficial / neutral for them from that perspective.

Another good source is Coyote Talk vs Giraffe talk (it sounds silly, but I promise it isn't). That one is more focused on personal relationships, but I think much of it can be applied to work interactions too.

Most fighting and animosity in the world is caused by people talking past each other, not engaging in actual constructive dialogue.

Re: How to quit like a boss

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Immigration. When you're in the US on a Visa (maybe not all of them?), you need to have a job or you risk getting deported.

Thats weird, you still get ~ 60 days to find a new job. In case you dont have any lined up.

Yes, but 60 days isn't a lot of time in a bad economy (2001, 2008, etc.).
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