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No Way to Grow Up

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Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by throwawayboise »

criddell wrote: post #27
throwawayboise wrote: post #4

I am very thankful that my youngest graduated high school in 2020. The last couple of months were screwed up, but there wasn't much real education lost by then; most seniors pretty much check out after Spring Break anyway. I really feel for the kids who are younger. The effects of this are going to be with us for decades.

Did your kid go on to college? My two kids did and it's a pretty lousy experience. Classes are mostly online still, cafeterias are take out only, socialization opportunities are mostly gone.

Yes. One was on-campus, and it wasn't ideal but he did OK with it. The other was all online and it didn't go well. He's taking time off now (working, not sitting idle) until he can be fully in-class, on campus.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by wayoutthere »

animal_spirits wrote: post #5

> For the past two years, Americans have accepted more harm to children in exchange for less harm to adults. At first we didn't know how much harm the virus would cause to children. But now that we see it is much less dangerous for them we shouldn't be preventing them from learning because we are afraid of getting sick. The children are the future, and in order to secure a positive growth in society it is our obligat…

The problem isn’t the kids getting sick, it’s the adults teaching them getting sick and dying. We’ve treated teachers like shit for so long that many are just saying “nope, not dying for a job” because they can go make more money doing literally anything else. We were scraping the bottom of the barrel even before Covid.

If kids education were really a priority, the right time to invest was 20 years ago. The system has been broken for a long time already.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by throwaway75787 »

swayvil wrote: post #15
throwawayboise wrote: post #4

I am very thankful that my youngest graduated high school in 2020. The last couple of months were screwed up, but there wasn't much real education lost by then; most seniors pretty much check out after Spring Break anyway. I really feel for the kids who are younger. The effects of this are going to be with us for decades.

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Seeing the lower face is important to reading emotion. The masks muffle speech as well. I wonder if children, especially in that critical 2-4 year-old period, will have stunted language and interpersonal skills. It's not right.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by _jal »

superfrank wrote: post #18

I'm not sure I like this article. They seems to overstate what the sources they link to claim. For example the article says > Some researchers are skeptical that school closures reduce Covid cases in most instances. But when you go to the study they link, it says > Although school closures reduce the number of contacts children have, and may decrease transmission, a study of 12 million adults in the UK found no diffe…

There appears to be a weird blind-spot when discussing COVID outcomes - anything short of death appears to be discounted or ignored. So hospital issues, long COVID, etc. just don't exist, so catching it either didn't matter or you're dead.

On a planet where that was true, that sort of reasoning would make sense. (As it does if you're trying to encourage other people to ignore risks.) What I don't understand is why so many people seem to view it that way.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by oh_sigh »

stathibus wrote: post #12
oh_sigh wrote: post #7

The article mentions increased suicide rates, especially among adolescent females, as part of "The Toll", but the study linked to specifically says: "(6). Finally, this analysis was not designed to determine whether a causal link existed between these trends and the COVID-19 pandemic."

I don't think its much of a stretch. Besides, what are you going to do, ask them why they committed suicide?

I also don't think it is much of a stretch, but I think it is too much of a stretch to include in reporting from the NYT. I'm not familiar with "THE MORNING NEWSLETTER", maybe it is more of an opinion section than actual journalism from the NYT?

Why not blame Tik-Tok, which rapidly increased in popularity among 12-17 year old females at pretty much the same time COVID was hitting?

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by titanomachy »

VeninVidiaVicii wrote: post #6

The last half century or so was not as calm as all these rose-colored articles would have you believe -- at least on a global scale. Even still, we need to realign our expectations to a world that's going to be much more turbulent than we'd like.

This article is about the impact on kids of partially shutting down schools for two years due to covid. What part of the article is your comment responding to?

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by stathibus »

wayoutthere wrote: post #35
superfrank wrote: post #18

I'm not sure I like this article. They seems to overstate what the sources they link to claim. For example the article says > Some researchers are skeptical that school closures reduce Covid cases in most instances. But when you go to the study they link, it says > Although school closures reduce the number of contacts children have, and may decrease transmission, a study of 12 million adults in the UK found no diffe…

This is an attempt at manufacturing consensus by making it seem like these arguments are coming “from the adults in the room” because it’s in the NYTimes. They’re so good at gaslighting their readers (and I say this coming from the left of the NYT, not the right). You’ll start to see liberal politicians using these same talking points in the coming weeks, guaranteed.

Yes its an argument, yes its in a well known newspaper. That's not what "manufacturing consensus" means.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by sanedigital »

librarianscott wrote: post #22

You can't have a years-long pandemic without consequences, good and bad. My state of Texas has had schools open almost all of this time--and we're not doing better than the other states. Where are all the folks in the United States who say that parents are the best teachers of their children, that home-schooling should rule the day, that the best care comes from families? That would imply that children would be bette…

You have your groups backwards. Those of us who homeschool (or whose children attend small, alternative private schools) understand fully that it takes a village. That's why we went to great pains to keep that village active, pandemic or no pandemic. Our specific community has accepted the additional risk to us adults in order to keep some level of normalcy for our children.

This article is about the other kids. The kindergartners who haven't seen a teacher's face in 24 months. The grade schoolers forced to eat outside in the cold. The high schoolers who unofficially "dropped out" when their schools closed and will never return to receive their diploma. Those kids have suffered greatly in the name of reducing risk to adults.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by xboxnolifes »

amelius wrote: post #13

If kids have to save the grown ups, then they have a strong bargaining position to e.g. fix the climate ASAP. => Why don't they use it?

In what way do kids have any sort of bargaining position? They hold no power to use as bargaining. They do no control whether or how they go to school.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by micromacrofoot »

FiReaNG3L wrote: post #16
animal_spirits wrote: post #5

> For the past two years, Americans have accepted more harm to children in exchange for less harm to adults. At first we didn't know how much harm the virus would cause to children. But now that we see it is much less dangerous for them we shouldn't be preventing them from learning because we are afraid of getting sick. The children are the future, and in order to secure a positive growth in society it is our obligat…

Counterpoint: at first it was extremely obvious that this virus was affecting you harder the older you are, with 60+ populations starting to be at risk. Nobody thought it was harming children.

Before vaccines the major concern was children as a vector for spreading it (especially because they were more often asymptomatic), anyone with school age kids know how quickly they spread illness.

There was some secondary concern of long-term side-effects ("long covid") cases in children as well, and I recall some talk of MIS-C and Kawasaki disease... but even early on those seemed fairly rare.

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