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Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by xxpor »

crisdux wrote: post #17
scrollaway wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus Vaccines reduce spread. Even if it doesn’t stop spread completely it’s still a significant factor.

It is fairly clear that is it not a significant factor, even before omicron. I don't know how these claims that lack a solid scientific basis still continue. You cannot attribute a capability to a vaccine that has not been confirmed through high quality evidence.

it's not clear at all. Where I live, unvaccinated people are >7x likely to test positive.

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Post by finite_jest »

Ardon wrote: post #6
b3nji wrote: post #2

I don't understand, if the vaccines work then why the issue? However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus, so why is this banning of the unvaccinated a thing? Very odd.

If a seatbelt doest stop you from dying in 100% of car crashes, I don't understand why they're mandatory?

> If a seatbelt doest stop you from dying in 100% of car crashes, I don't understand why they're mandatory?

Interestingly, your comparison is relevant, but you are responding to an argument which I don't think is being made. The OP is _not_ arguing that vaccines shouldn't be mandatory because they aren't 100% effective.

On the contrary, the OP's argument is that since vaccines are relatively effective, one person's choice to not get vaccinated will not effect the others, and it should be up to them.

Your seatbelt example is relevant, in that the same "no-harm-to-others" argument can be made in that case too.

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Post by moralestapia »

whimsicalism wrote: post #13
moralestapia wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Vaccines reduce spread. In this case, they don't.

Uh, source? Media very much likes to simplify these things, but if you think of this in a probabilistic/continuous manner, rather than a "yes spread vs no spread" approach, the vaccines obviously reduce spread?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-risk-of-vacci...

You're right that there's no definite answer to this, but the general consensus among doctors is that it doesn't prevent the virus from spreading.

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

PopeUrbanX wrote: post #30

Good. Take away their free healthcare, too, so that they stop taking up ICU beds that smarter people might need.

I would like to push against moral judgement being used to determine if treatment should be offered at all. (To be clear: I’m a fully vaccinated and boosted person that masks consistently.)

My understanding is that the field of medicine is heavily against this because they have historical cases where moral judgement to deprive care have resulted in human rights abuses and medical neglect due to bigotry. It might end up disproportionately affecting the homeless, those afflicted with addiction, single mothers, and the poor.

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Post by guidovranken »

In other festive COVID news from Canada:

>Canada's Justin Trudeau on the unvaccinated:

>“They don’t believe in science/progress and are very often misogynistic and racist....This leads us, as a leader and as a country, to make a choice: Do we tolerate these people?"

https://twitter.com/KevinBardosh/status/1476838517007257600

My patience with COVID cultists is starting to run quite thin.

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by moneywoes »

NoblePublius wrote: post #46
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that the vaccines aren’t completely effective at stopping you catching/spreading, but they are a whole lot better than being immune naive altogether. Casual googling has given me some Washington state pdf data that says even in the most robust cohort (13-29 year olds) unvaccinated folks get Covid at 3x the rate of unvaccinated and the differences only get more dramatic from there. If you have more…

There’s an Antarctic research station of entirely triple vaxxed people that is on complete lockdown now because most of them have Covid. I know 22 people who have gotten positive tests in the last two weeks, all vaccinated. Sports leagues practically 100% vaccinated and dozens and dozens and dozens of players out for Covid. I do not believe for one second any public health data today claiming only 1/5 new cases are v…

Rip the nba has been decimated by the virus. At what point do we just accept it?

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by loudtieblahblah »

yostrovs wrote: post #39

I've been asking friends that believe in such punishments whether they would have punished gay people in the 1990s that got AIDS. Condoms are extremely effective at preventing transmission. Invariably no one wants to go there. Gay people with AIDS that didn't use a condom are to be cried over in our society, while those with COVID that didn't take the vaccine are to be punished.

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