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Re: Smartbolts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not an ME or anything, but it would seem washers attest to pressure (tension) at some point in time (when the nut was tightened -unless the washer is "springy", which I doubt as it seems it simply yields at some point), whereas smartbolts attest to the tension when you look at them --so during maintenance and not only during installation, so from that PoV, they are more useful (informative).

That’s true, but you can have a qualified inspector mark bolts with goo with a paint line that straddles to the fastening surface. Then you can just inspect the paint line for movement, which gets you most of the same functionality at significantly lower cost. Of course, that requires a trustworthy inspector, which is one application where smartbolts become useful, if you don’t have a trustworthy inspector available…

That line is fine if the bolt winding itself loose is your only failure scenario, but some might have others as well. What of they clamp a part that can subtly deform in certain exceptional situations? Then you could have a bolt with zero tension that is still perfectly aligned with the marker line from when it was properly torqued.

What I find somewhat surprising is that they make the "ok" indication black. The cry for attention state in red seems nicely intuitive at first glance, but given the market they serve they should be far more concerned with false negatives than with false positives and I imagine that it would be very easy for dirt or bad lighting to make a red indicator remain unnoticed in an inspection. Perhaps the color choice is an inherent property of the chemistry involved?

Re: Smartbolts

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I’m a mechanical engineer - smartbolts are cool but rarely used in my experience. Much more commonly used are DTI washers: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_tension_indicator Due to the washer style can be used with a wide range of fasteners. The most common type, in my experience, due to the ease of use, has a little bit of colored goo inside the arched cells. The goo squirts out when the specified torque is re…

Nice video of the colored goo in action: https://youtu.be/5BMQE5XnKww?t=372 Breakaway bolts are discussed/demonstrated a few seconds earlier.

Release the schmoo!

That is pretty neat. The Wikipedia page on DTI does a pretty poor job of describing how they work, so thank you for the visual.

Re: Smartbolts

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I am surprised there aren't already some chip for it, or is there ? Something based on RF-energy harvesting, you beam it with radio waves, it uses the energy to take a pressure measurement and send you back the result, along with the id of the bolt. And you inspect all your factory bolts in a matter of seconds, and everything is nicely logged, even those hard to inspect bolts. To measure the pressure either some piez…

there is: IoT bolts https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29123301

Re: Smartbolts

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I’m a mechanical engineer - smartbolts are cool but rarely used in my experience. Much more commonly used are DTI washers: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_tension_indicator Due to the washer style can be used with a wide range of fasteners. The most common type, in my experience, due to the ease of use, has a little bit of colored goo inside the arched cells. The goo squirts out when the specified torque is re…

Nice video of the colored goo in action: https://youtu.be/5BMQE5XnKww?t=372 Breakaway bolts are discussed/demonstrated a few seconds earlier.

Thanks for the link, looks like a great channel!

Re: Smartbolts

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No pricing on the site, but I hope it's in the region of five thousand wrappages of Cardassian yamok sauce for a hundred gross.

I think the bolts listed in the article are less expensive than self-sealing stem bolts.

They're "contact us for pricing" which basically means you can't afford them.

Re: Smartbolts

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I’m a mechanical engineer - smartbolts are cool but rarely used in my experience. Much more commonly used are DTI washers: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_tension_indicator Due to the washer style can be used with a wide range of fasteners. The most common type, in my experience, due to the ease of use, has a little bit of colored goo inside the arched cells. The goo squirts out when the specified torque is re…

Smartbolts seem to be useful in applications where there is an expectation the bolts will loosen over time/the maintenance lifetime, reducing/easing inspection time. Similar to the tell-tales used on truck lug nuts: https://www.dealsonwheels.co.nz/trucks/features/1302/new-tyr...

I need these in my garage door. I wonder how much more expensive they are.

Edit: way too expensive.

https://www.mcmaster.com/smart-bolts/

Re: Smartbolts

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I was one of the folks who put together the steel for a waterslide in a certain amusement park in California. Our method consisting of putting a mark across the bolt and nut after tightening it all the way down with a spud wrench, and then using a breaker bar until the mark on the nut was at the 4 o'clock position( or maybe it was 8, I don't recall ).

The inspectors would then use a telescope to check every mark. Completely blew my mind that they relied on this method, rather than something that measured the force directly.

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I don’t ride rollercoasters but if I did I would want them to use these.

I can guarantee a roller coaster track at any modern amusement park in America is inspected far more frequently and is much safer to travel on than the interstate highways and bridges that get you to the parking lot.

Re: Smartbolts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Smartbolts seem to be useful in applications where there is an expectation the bolts will loosen over time/the maintenance lifetime, reducing/easing inspection time. Similar to the tell-tales used on truck lug nuts: https://www.dealsonwheels.co.nz/trucks/features/1302/new-tyr...

I need these in my garage door. I wonder how much more expensive they are. Edit: way too expensive. https://www.mcmaster.com/smart-bolts/

$26+ each? Now I am curious which applications it does make sense to use these in.
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