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Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by [deleted] »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #33
xnyan wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We were promised this wouldn't happen by our governments last year right? We were promised that a company can't require a vaccine as a condition of employment? Seeing as some companies have required vaccines for as long as there have been vaccines, I think I must be misunderstanding you. >Why are private companies stuck policing these absurd policies? Companies are requiring the vaccine because they make employees l…

> Companies are requiring the vaccine because they make employees less likely to miss work due to illness. Then if I don't want to get a vaccine, I'll sign an agreement that if I get sick and miss work, I don't get paid, and that's the end of it.

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Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by lb0 »

jaquer_1 wrote: post #14
Oddskar wrote: post #4

Quoted post unavailable.

1. Force people into draconian measures that won't stop infection and violate their rights. 2. Convince them that it's necessary to stop the pandemic without giving any arguments. 3. Have them defend your measures in public forums and feel very smart.

> draconian measures

really?

What's the fuzz about anti vaxxers always talking about "won't stop infection" or "stop the pandemic" - 1st this is not black and white - 2nd and nowhere I have seen that these are the actual arguments for these measures?

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by moneywoes »

kkjjkgjjgg wrote: post #50

Does anybody know what exactly their rules are, as the article doesn't actually say? Do they mandate people be vaccinated, or just that they upload their status. Or can they work from home and only have to be vaccinated to be allowed into the office?

Sounds like they are able to apply for religious exemptions so I’m not sure what the issue is here

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by kkjjkgjjgg »

titzer wrote: post #45
nsxwolf wrote: post #6

This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. There will be no end. If the virus mutates to become harmless, the mandates will be given all the credit, and we will double down on this system. It's not temporary.

Let's see how far you get walking around completely naked. My guess is about 2 to 3 city blocks. Your civil rights have always been constrained to protect both the safety and sensibilities of those around you. It's the cost of an increasingly crowded planet full of people who also have rights .

In my country, there are places where everybody goes naked all the time. Not sure if people live their all year round, or if it is only for holidays.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by vlovich123 »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #33
xnyan wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We were promised this wouldn't happen by our governments last year right? We were promised that a company can't require a vaccine as a condition of employment? Seeing as some companies have required vaccines for as long as there have been vaccines, I think I must be misunderstanding you. >Why are private companies stuck policing these absurd policies? Companies are requiring the vaccine because they make employees l…

> Companies are requiring the vaccine because they make employees less likely to miss work due to illness. Then if I don't want to get a vaccine, I'll sign an agreement that if I get sick and miss work, I don't get paid, and that's the end of it.

That’s not how infectious diseases work. You can be getting other people sick. Vaccines aren’t 100% effective so prolonged exposure in indoor spaces increases chances. Some people also are immuno compromised and can’t be vaccinated so you’d be putting them at risk too. Are you going to start paying for their sick time too and signing away that you’re personally liable for deaths?

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by solididiot »

criddell wrote: post #38

At some point I wonder if health insurers will start denying claims related to the treatment of COVID infections if the person is eligible for the vaccine but has refused to get one? On TV today I saw that Kroger employees don't get sick day pay if they are off because of COVID unless they have been vaccinated (and I would assume there's a medical exemption).

In my country (EU) COVID incidents get handled by public health system only. Which was not in great shape to begin with. Health insurers had bailed out since day zero on COVID.

There's lately though talk about unvaccinated COVID patients bearing the cost nonetheless. Note that public health system is for free.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by titzer »

jaquer_1 wrote: post #14
Oddskar wrote: post #4

Quoted post unavailable.

1. Force people into draconian measures that won't stop infection and violate their rights. 2. Convince them that it's necessary to stop the pandemic without giving any arguments. 3. Have them defend your measures in public forums and feel very smart.

> and feel very smart.

Careful now, very smart person, this blade has two very sharp edges.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by cletus »

nsxwolf wrote: post #6

This is just life, forever. Totally unprecedented. You will get a vaccination every 6 months for the rest of your life or be totally excluded from all civil rights. There will be no end. If the virus mutates to become harmless, the mandates will be given all the credit, and we will double down on this system. It's not temporary.

> Totally unprecedented

Au contraire [1]. For example:

> During the Revolutionary War, by contrast, George Washington immunized his troops against smallpox even against their will.

[1]: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-long-history-of-vaccine-man...

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by oneepic »

(I needed to look it up:) flout (verb) - to openly disregard (a rule, law or convention). "these same companies still flout basic ethical practices"

This definition and example of using it in a sentence were ironically provided by Google search.

Re: Google says employees flouting vaccination rules will eventually be fired

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Post by eldaisfish »

DiffEq wrote: post #39
Oddskar wrote: post #4

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Then why not fire people who are overweight? That kills more people; reduces work capacity more than any other, and costs more money than any other health issue we have. Additionally, if you are healthy and do not have the comorbidities that come with being overweight your risks of being a Covid mortality is less than the flu. So to be consistent Google should fire everyone that is overweight right? And you should be…

Weight-related diseases are generally not communicable, and are certainly not airborne.

My risk of vehicular injury is not increased by being around you, even if you are a bad driver.

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