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It Will Make Scientific Sense to Offer Booster After Three Months

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Re: It Will Make Scientific Sense to Offer Booster After Three Months

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ziddoap wrote: post #50
disambiguation wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never said "I don't think scientific consensus holds much meaning". My comment says "how do we know there's no conflict of interest". If you weren't busy building strawmen you might've caught the nuance. Further, there's a variety of proof I would accept. My goal is to build trust, not to be a perpetual cynic.

> My comment says "how do we know there's no conflict of interest". I never would have guessed that from your sarcastic comment and hand-wave to an article, followed up by " My point is simply that "scientific consensus" has lost some of its brand value. " and scare-quoting around experts (implying, you know, that they aren't experts). But you are correct, I conflated lolsal's interpretation of your comment with what…

> implying, you know, that they aren't experts

The interview is with the CEO of BioNTech, not an impartial individual regardless of his qualifications.

Of course this alone doesn't mean anything.

Though we can attempt to create meaning by applying context, from Dec 2020:

> Moderna's chief medical officer, Tal Zaks, said last month that he believed it was likely the vaccine would prevent transmission but warned that there was not yet "sufficient evidence" of it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-says-no-evidence-coronav...

A quote that is technically correct, but at the time was highly suggestive, and eventually proved to be way off base.

So here we are again, taking quotes from "experts".

Re: It Will Make Scientific Sense to Offer Booster After Three Months

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Post by kcplate »

ziddoap wrote: post #43
kcplate wrote: post #38

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And my reply would be that evidence is not always immediately apparent, but that doesn’t mean evidence doesn’t exist. The commenter’s point was that due to other scandal, “scientific consensus” doesn’t hold the same weight it once might have held. Especially when powerful industries and Lot’s O’Money are involved. Not just sugar, but energy, tobacco, and yes…even other pharmaceuticals. TBH there seems to be a pretty…

> And my reply would be that evidence is not always immediately apparent, but that doesn’t mean evidence doesn’t exist. I agree, evidence may exist and if it does, I hope to see it. The parent poster, in contrast, simply gave a sarcastic "Yep, case closed" and then, with no context, placed a link to the sugar scandal. Effectively, as I read it, "Yeah sure... but what about that thing with sugar?". I'm not even arguin…

To me “scientific consensus” is a wave of the hand response too. It’s generally dropped in these discussions by non-experts without much knowledge of who makes up that consensus or why they disagree with the dissent.

At any rate, I see both sides. I don’t trust big pharma or government, but I trust my doctor. If tomorrow he tells me “don’t get the next booster”, I’m not going to get it.

Re: It Will Make Scientific Sense to Offer Booster After Three Months

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Post by dkdk8283 »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #42
dkdk8283 wrote: post #11

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That sounds horrific, I would much rather opt out of that event instead of going through that. I refuse to live in fear.

Wait, do you realize that nasal tests are painless, just take a minute, and you know the results in 15 minutes? Getting tested is a non-event. The huge upside is getting to hang out with people who otherwise you only know via Zoom.

I’m referring to the mental toll the protocol takes. I am sure for some people it’s a win.

It seems like overkill, a massive over reaction, to me. It’s just a feeling, and I look forward to the mental health studies that will eventually come.

Re: It Will Make Scientific Sense to Offer Booster After Three Months

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Post by sharken »

deadmutex wrote: post #4
JanSt wrote: post #3

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Read the article. This claim is adressed. It‘s scientific consensus.

Ironically, this post is next to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29493241 .

I can only speak for myself, but i always assume that i don't have all the answers.

Facts that points to a faulty conclusion on my part, will be enough to change the conclusion.

Failure to change views based on facts, is a strange concept when dealing with scientific concepts.

Re: It Will Make Scientific Sense to Offer Booster After Three Months

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Post by mark_l_watson »

dkdk8283 wrote: post #53
mark_l_watson wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, do you realize that nasal tests are painless, just take a minute, and you know the results in 15 minutes? Getting tested is a non-event. The huge upside is getting to hang out with people who otherwise you only know via Zoom.

I’m referring to the mental toll the protocol takes. I am sure for some people it’s a win. It seems like overkill, a massive over reaction, to me. It’s just a feeling, and I look forward to the mental health studies that will eventually come.

+1 I understand. I have friends and family members who refuse the vaccinations, and I believe that is their right. The idea of mandates in a free society bugs me, I don’t like it. I am grateful to get experimental vaccines that I think help more than hurt.

My wife and I have tried to make life as normal and enjoyable during Covid-19. One thing that helps hugely is seeing friends and family often, but outside. Breakfast and coffee in a yard, or everyone take a picnic lunch to a park. Every moment we live is a gift, and everyone needs to figure out for themselves how to live a free and inspired life.

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