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Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by altacc »

logicchains wrote: post #20
Jenk wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not deadly enough _to you_. I'm sure those who are vulnerable will thank you immensely for your compassion.

You are aware that while the covid vaccines protect against severe illness and death, they don't prevent somebody catching and spreading the virus?

The vaccines do significantly reduce the chance of getting the virus and significantly reduce the chance of then spreading the virus to others. Anyone expecting 100% or similar success rates for both has not received good information about these or pretty much any previous vaccine ever developed.

e.g. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by drewcon »

neither_color wrote: post #11

It's not deadly enough for me to consider a booster, I'll pass on this supplementary shot https://www.marketwatch.com/story/who-has-not-seen-any-repor...

I’m fascinated by this thinking.

Do you really want to roll the dice on an infection and long term consequences including permanent loss of smell (and taste)?

If this virus killed exactly no one but it just commonly removed one of your senses…is that not motivation enough to avoid it?

Additionally, I just got over a two week adenovirus infection and it absolutely sucked. Not the sickest I’ve been, but the most symptoms and the longest. Why would anyone want to be sick if they could avoid it?

The risk from the third shot is essentially immaterial to a healthy adult. The risk of the viral infection is somewhere between a shitty couple of weeks to permanent life altering symptoms.

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by fer »

stuartloxton wrote: post #39
_Understated_ wrote: post #16

Not to hijack the thread: why is my post being flagged? I'm asking a genuine question! I was linking to UK Government data here [0] and asking about the numbers. They're not adding up. I want to know if my interpretation is correct [0] - https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde...

If you want to seriously discuss you should put which data points your comparing so others can also compare. When I look at that sheet and look at the rates comparing unvaccinated vs fully faccinated the death rate is lower for every age group when vaccinated. * Comparing week ending 24th September 2021

They're comparing different/dates/vaccination rates, classic Simpson's paradox. No adjusted data shows otherwise.

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by rout39574 »

crate_barre wrote: post #32
_Understated_ wrote: post #16

Not to hijack the thread: why is my post being flagged? I'm asking a genuine question! I was linking to UK Government data here [0] and asking about the numbers. They're not adding up. I want to know if my interpretation is correct [0] - https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde...

They don’t like this devolving into politics, which they really need to get over because the historical fact (when this is all said and done) is that Covid was heavily politicized by both sides in a variety of countries.

I think it's more about unsubstantiated conclusions, hysterically presented.

If the original post had outlined the data points that led them to the (IMO erroneous) impression they reached, then the point could have been rebutted.

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by mwint »

eCa wrote: post #15
tazjin wrote: post #3

Product manufacturer recommends use of its product. Surprise!

If they can show that the product helps to save lifes and at some point get back to a normalcy, and especially if there’s no other significantly better product available, I really don’t have an issue with that.

At this point, does anyone believe we’ll get back to normalcy? What’s the path?

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by hammock »

efficax wrote: post #44
neither_color wrote: post #11

It's not deadly enough for me to consider a booster, I'll pass on this supplementary shot https://www.marketwatch.com/story/who-has-not-seen-any-repor...

Omicron isn't the only variant or even the dominate one outside of South Africa. If you've already gotten the initial doses, why wouldn't you complete your vaccination? There's only upside to it at that point

I tend to agree. If you weren't one of the rare ones that got a severe side effect from the first two jabs like heart inflammation or neurological issues, the likelihood of you getting that from a third jab might be lower than average.

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by johnisgood »

api wrote: post #27
tazjin wrote: post #3

Product manufacturer recommends use of its product. Surprise!

If a seatbelt maker encourages seatbelts, is this evidence that seatbelts don't work?

But it is not evidence for seat-belts working as intended or promised either.

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by syntaxing »

jsiepkes wrote: post #13
bmitc wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the CVS person who did my booster, the booster for Pfizer is a full dose while the Moderna booster is a half dose (relative to each manufacturer's original first and second shot doses).

Worth noting that Moderna uses a larger dosis then Pfizer for the first and second shot.

And at half dose of Moderna is still larger than a full dose of Pfizer

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by marcinzm »

hammock wrote: post #24
Jenk wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not deadly enough _to you_. I'm sure those who are vulnerable will thank you immensely for your compassion.

Does the Pfizer jab infection and prevent transmission to others? I thought I saw Fauci and Walensky (CDC) recently lamenting that it doesn't. Most of what I hear people say is it prevents disease severity.

Based on this it does: https://www.rivm.nl/en/news/vaccination-reduces-transmission...
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