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The epidemiological relevance of the Covid-vaccinated population is increasing

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Re: The epidemiological relevance of the Covid-vaccinated population is increasing

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Interesting, but misleading beyond the title. One part that deserves attention about the Israel outbreak: "Fourteen fully vaccinated patients became severely ill or died, the two unvaccinated patients developed mild disease". This seems to imply an adverse effect of the vaccine. On the contrary, what happened is that patients were either older or had comorbidities - check https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2…

> This makes no sense; the latter group has fewer chances of transmitting the disease than the former. I think you're only looking at transmission of a pre-existing infection during the event . You don't seem to be looking at transmission that happens later but that was caused by attending the event (and getting the virus), nor do you appear to be looking at the number of people who get the disease directly at the ev…

The big thing about the vaccine is that it vastly reduces the chance that infection converts to an illness. For that to happen, you need to be immune compromised in some way or get hit with an immune avoiding variant.

It only slightly shortens time for transmitting the virus. Hence silent infected people who are vaccinated might not even know they're carriers. Hence everyone should still be wearing masks to limit the spread.

Re: The epidemiological relevance of the Covid-vaccinated population is increasing

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> This makes no sense; the latter group has fewer chances of transmitting the disease than the former. I think you're only looking at transmission of a pre-existing infection during the event . You don't seem to be looking at transmission that happens later but that was caused by attending the event (and getting the virus), nor do you appear to be looking at the number of people who get the disease directly at the ev…

The big thing about the vaccine is that it vastly reduces the chance that infection converts to an illness. For that to happen, you need to be immune compromised in some way or get hit with an immune avoiding variant. It only slightly shortens time for transmitting the virus. Hence silent infected people who are vaccinated might not even know they're carriers. Hence everyone should still be wearing masks to limit the…

I don't think you read the (brief) article.

> In Germany, the rate of symptomatic COVID-19 cases among the fully vaccinated (“breakthrough infections”) is reported weekly since 21. July 2021 and was 16.9% at that time among patients of 60 years and older [[2] ]. This proportion is increasing week by week and was 58.9% on 27. October 2021 (Figure 1) providing clear evidence of the increasing relevance of the fully vaccinated as a possible source of transmission.

Re: The epidemiological relevance of the Covid-vaccinated population is increasing

#53

I mean this question with all respect. For those of you who error towards caution with COVID, do you prefer the world as it is under coronavirus restrictions? Again I am asking this with sincerity, if we could blink away COVID but keep the world as it is (remote work, limited travel, acceptable reason for isolation etc.) would you prefer that world? I hate the world COVID has created . I hate seeing everything throug…

I agree with every single thing you said, but I don't have a cat. I could also tack on another dozen things I hate about all of this.

Re: The epidemiological relevance of the Covid-vaccinated population is increasing

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Yes. And that might suit a (hypothetical) hidden agenda. I just don't think the authorities are smart or cynical enough to foresee and plan something like that (in Denmark) IMO, the responses to the virus have been driven by media hysteria and politicians doing what they think will make them look good.

>Yes. And that might suit a (hypothetical) hidden agenda. I just don't think the authorities are smart or cynical enough to foresee and plan something like that (in Denmark) What is hidden or hypothetical about it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Reset The first book came out in 2010 post financial crisis. The whole design is about fighting against STEM and producing an economy in which creativity is rewarded. Th…

I have no doubt that the elite like to tell themselves that they are planning things and steering this world.

I also have no doubt that the disaffected of this world would also like this story to be true, so they could have a nice target for their wrath.

What I think is, honestly, it's all just a spectacular clusterfuck. Humans are just not smart enough in big groups to coordinate a global action like that.

Re: The epidemiological relevance of the Covid-vaccinated population is increasing

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I mean this question with all respect. For those of you who error towards caution with COVID, do you prefer the world as it is under coronavirus restrictions? Again I am asking this with sincerity, if we could blink away COVID but keep the world as it is (remote work, limited travel, acceptable reason for isolation etc.) would you prefer that world? I hate the world COVID has created . I hate seeing everything throug…

It’s rubbish, isn’t it? But all that is past for most of us. I just came back from a bar in SF and I don’t think I wore a mask anywhere in it. Hung out with loads of friends. Had a great time. SF is usually Restriction Central so it doesn’t seem like life is particularly bad now. Personally, I rather like this interstitial time where the scared remain home and I am free to roam with my friends. Traffic and lines are…

> "Personally, I rather like this interstitial time where the scared remain home and I am free to roam with my friends."

i've been saying all along that the default policy positions should have led directly to this outcome. everyone sorts themselves into risk profiles and everyone is happy with their risk exposure. but that doesn't appease political ambitions, so we don't get that.

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