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Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by pletnes »

kbumsik wrote: post #45
vladvasiliu wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When compared to VS Code and its remote editing over SSH, IntelliJ was really lacking. I know of a couple of people who went away from PyCharm just because of this. What issues did they have? PyCharm in particular has had a "remote interpreter" feature for a while which works quite well. The text is edited locally but the interpreter and libraries are installed on the remote end. It then brings back whatever it nee…

> The text is edited locally This was the pain point. My local machine didn't have source code locally. Maybe I was too lazy, but syncing code on both local machine and remote machine was painful.

If you enable auto sync, it’s not much work. The setup is annoying though.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by pletnes »

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #40
hhariri wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IntelliJ IDEA along with the platform is the largest team at JetBrains and we're constantly working on bugs and features. If you can please point me to the issues you're referring to in YouTrack, I can check the status.

Another issue that hits IntelliJ IDEA corporate customers is WSL2 support. While VS Code has great WSL2 support, IntelliJ IDEA can not even show proper error messages when opening Maven projects inside WSL2. See https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-267333

Seconded, as a pycharm user. It doesn’t support virtualenvs inside WSL2. I mean… no virtualenvs? In a paid python IDE?

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by albertzeyer »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #38
albertzeyer wrote: post #28

This looks very interesting. This was almost overdue. Since the beginning of Covid, the need for good remote code development raised quite a bit (at least for many people I know, including our team). When compared to VS Code and its remote editing over SSH, IntelliJ was really lacking. I know of a couple of people who went away from PyCharm just because of this. Related reports: https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/P…

> When compared to VS Code and its remote editing over SSH, IntelliJ was really lacking. I know of a couple of people who went away from PyCharm just because of this. What issues did they have? PyCharm in particular has had a "remote interpreter" feature for a while which works quite well. The text is edited locally but the interpreter and libraries are installed on the remote end. It then brings back whatever it nee…

It's a very complex environment, where the Python code is widely spread, and also lots of other configuration files are involved. It's not realistic or possible to have a local copy of all of it in our case.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by dsissitka »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #38
albertzeyer wrote: post #28

This looks very interesting. This was almost overdue. Since the beginning of Covid, the need for good remote code development raised quite a bit (at least for many people I know, including our team). When compared to VS Code and its remote editing over SSH, IntelliJ was really lacking. I know of a couple of people who went away from PyCharm just because of this. Related reports: https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/P…

> When compared to VS Code and its remote editing over SSH, IntelliJ was really lacking. I know of a couple of people who went away from PyCharm just because of this. What issues did they have? PyCharm in particular has had a "remote interpreter" feature for a while which works quite well. The text is edited locally but the interpreter and libraries are installed on the remote end. It then brings back whatever it nee…

> What issues did they have?

The ability to run extensions remotely is really nice. Sometimes I like to develop in my personal environment and running extensions remotely keeps my extensions' NPM dependencies sandboxed from my personal environment.

I might be a little paranoid.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by hv42 »

hhariri wrote: post #8
nikitaga wrote: post #7

Meanwhile IntelliJ is rotting with months-old bugs that render entire features useless, with no fixes and no ETAs in sight. The only product that I pay money for that constantly, on almost every release, pains me with new bugs, a good portion of which are never fixed. I thought about using other Jetbrains products like DataGrip (and now this Fleet), but I'm not going to invest even more into a company that simply ref…

IntelliJ IDEA along with the platform is the largest team at JetBrains and we're constantly working on bugs and features. If you can please point me to the issues you're referring to in YouTrack, I can check the status.

People on this issue[1] have been asking themselves the same questions. New very specific features are added with every new releases. However, the Git/shelf experience is lacking the ability to commit specific lines.

[1] See this highly voted issue: https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-186988 (opened since more than 3 years already)

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by gjvc »

hhariri wrote: post #8
nikitaga wrote: post #7

Meanwhile IntelliJ is rotting with months-old bugs that render entire features useless, with no fixes and no ETAs in sight. The only product that I pay money for that constantly, on almost every release, pains me with new bugs, a good portion of which are never fixed. I thought about using other Jetbrains products like DataGrip (and now this Fleet), but I'm not going to invest even more into a company that simply ref…

IntelliJ IDEA along with the platform is the largest team at JetBrains and we're constantly working on bugs and features. If you can please point me to the issues you're referring to in YouTrack, I can check the status.

More effective would be to send the board and the CEO links to this and the other thread to show how long-gone the days of "develop with pleasure!" really are.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by gommm »

hhariri wrote: post #8
nikitaga wrote: post #7

Meanwhile IntelliJ is rotting with months-old bugs that render entire features useless, with no fixes and no ETAs in sight. The only product that I pay money for that constantly, on almost every release, pains me with new bugs, a good portion of which are never fixed. I thought about using other Jetbrains products like DataGrip (and now this Fleet), but I'm not going to invest even more into a company that simply ref…

IntelliJ IDEA along with the platform is the largest team at JetBrains and we're constantly working on bugs and features. If you can please point me to the issues you're referring to in YouTrack, I can check the status.

I think that it would be good to dedicate a few months with no new feature and just focus on fixing all the regression bugs, there's a lot of bugs that are reported for many months to a year seemingly without activity.

I used to like Intellij but got fed up and just stopped using it. Dealing with regression bugs isn't worth it. An IDE should be extremely stable, releasing new features is great but it shouldn't be to the detriment of existing features.

Re: JetBrains Fleet: The Next-Generation IDE by JetBrains

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Post by jlengrand »

I'm super duper happy to see this coming.

Was getting worried about the communication about light code editors in the past and how those users don't understand what a good IDE is [1].

I very much welcome Jetbrains getting into the vscode / codespace / gitpod space, and creating a rocking product.

Looking this one with a lot of attention.

[1] https://twitter.com/fbricon/status/1308165808506507267?s=20

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