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Re: T-Mobile CDMA network shutting down soon

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Not really. There have always been smartphones that supported both GSM and CDMA. The three major carriers not only use different LTE bands, but also Verizon and shortly AT&T (in February) have adopted a whitelist model where only select handsets can be activated on their networks. It's a much less open marketplace than it was five years ago.

By select handsets, I assume any big name handset, e.g. iPhone, Pixel, Galaxy, would be allowed, but a no-name handset wouldn't be allowed? Isn't this similar to the pre-iPhone days, when if you brought an overseas GSM phone you had to go through some hoops to get it activated with Cingular/T-Mobile? I remember getting handsets from China and Europe and the reseller would have to circumvent something to get it activa…

>when if you brought an overseas GSM phone you had to go through some hoops to get it activated with Cingular/T-Mobile?

To be frank: No. You popped your SIM in and the phone worked immediately on the network. If it didn't work you manually entered APN settings in.

Some years later AT&T started maintaining a whitelist of smartphone IMEI numbers so they could charge more for data plans than a featurephone would pay. T-Mobile did not do this. AT&T went as far as maintaining whitelisting for phones that would be allowed on wifi calling or voLTE, T-Mobile phones just needed to carry the profiles.

No 'circumvention' other than carrier/subsidy unlock was ever required to use an international phone save for the very rare times international phones had bands software disabled (and this is quite rare).

Re: T-Mobile CDMA network shutting down soon

#52
I have this nasty feeling my 3G prepaid phone is going to stop working one day, and I'll somehow be expected to have known in advance.

Can I get a 5g non-smart phone? I don't want internet, email, or anything other that text messages and phone calls. I'm already too attached to the internet, I DON'T want it in my pocket at all times.

Re: T-Mobile CDMA network shutting down soon

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I have this nasty feeling my 3G prepaid phone is going to stop working one day, and I'll somehow be expected to have known in advance. Can I get a 5g non-smart phone? I don't want internet, email, or anything other that text messages and phone calls. I'm already too attached to the internet, I DON'T want it in my pocket at all times.

Telstra in Australia already have their 3G shutdown planned for less than 3 years from now: https://www.telstra.com.au/business-enterprise/support/3g-se...

Re: T-Mobile CDMA network shutting down soon

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I have this nasty feeling my 3G prepaid phone is going to stop working one day, and I'll somehow be expected to have known in advance. Can I get a 5g non-smart phone? I don't want internet, email, or anything other that text messages and phone calls. I'm already too attached to the internet, I DON'T want it in my pocket at all times.

Alcatel Go Flip 4 prob. I haven't used it but it's the only featurephone I can think of with US band support and it's under $100.

EDIT: Also uh, this submission is about CDMA shutdown. T-Mobile's 2G GSM is still going to be around for at least another year. If you have an active SIM in something real old, it'll keep working until then. If you need a replacement SIM you'll likely be forced into an upgrade (as the newer SIM cards in their stores lack the 2G applet)

Re: T-Mobile CDMA network shutting down soon

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An interesting side effect of these networks shutting down seems to be a lot of car manufacturers have been cheeping out for years and relying on 2G and 3G networks on even quite modern cars, then blaming the network providers when they stop working after being the network is shut off instead of offering upgrades to the telecommunications modules to a more modern standard.

Re: T-Mobile CDMA network shutting down soon

#57
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is mostly about drama around Boost Mobile. T-Mobile wanted to shut down their CDMA network on January 1, 2022. Boost (now owned by Dish) doesn't want to upgrade users that have handsets that don't work with VoLTE. Upgrading users involves sending them notices, giving them options of free handsets, shipping those handsets, getting the users to actually activate them, etc. While T-Mobile gave Boost nearly double t…

> handsets that don't work with VoLTE It's kind of amazing to watch them keep pushing out half-baked protocols with the details on what phones actually support being so hard to find. I guess the lesson they learned from rolling out LTE phones with no Voice over LTE support is that nobody really cares, which is why they repeated the same issues with 5G and there's all this stuff about "non-standalone 5G".

VoLTE was complex because it required proper QoS handling, IIRC.

Re: T-Mobile CDMA network shutting down soon

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post #12

I surprised that US iPhone 13 still supports CDMA2000 EV-DO. Is it still worth to support?

Lots of people buy their phones in the USA through relatives and then ship them to their own country. That might have prompted Apple to support stuff that they no longer need in the US?

Re: T-Mobile CDMA network shutting down soon

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> handsets that don't work with VoLTE It's kind of amazing to watch them keep pushing out half-baked protocols with the details on what phones actually support being so hard to find. I guess the lesson they learned from rolling out LTE phones with no Voice over LTE support is that nobody really cares, which is why they repeated the same issues with 5G and there's all this stuff about "non-standalone 5G".

Who is 'they'?

The carriers along with the phone makers.

Re: T-Mobile CDMA network shutting down soon

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post #23
post #8

Not surprising. T-Mobile has always been a GSM network, CDMA is what they inherited from Sprint.

This is mostly about drama around Boost Mobile. T-Mobile wanted to shut down their CDMA network on January 1, 2022. Boost (now owned by Dish) doesn't want to upgrade users that have handsets that don't work with VoLTE. Upgrading users involves sending them notices, giving them options of free handsets, shipping those handsets, getting the users to actually activate them, etc. While T-Mobile gave Boost nearly double t…

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